Well I haven't started handloading yet. However I have found out that my H&R Ultra model 223 doesn't like .224 measurement rounds. After some discouragement of bad groupings, me and my brother measured the Winchester 55gr FMJ's we were shooting and they came up .224, not .223, like the 45gr varmint rounds.
These are the value pack ammo(40rds) at Walmart.
Yet I want to order some cheap rounds for plinking that are half way accurate, like Wolf or Brown Bear.
So I was wondering if anyone could do me a favor, if you have a micometer and some surplus Wolf ammo and/or Silver Bear(like those at aimsurplus is selling) 223's to see what the measurment is?
I didn't know that.
Perhaps this isn't the main reason for the lack of accuracy after all.
I wonder if these Winchester 55gr fmj's aren't army surplus run off sold in stores?
I don't know a lot about reloading and measurements, but from what I have heard if they have to high a pressure , they make burn back on the neck of the the brass, right?
myarmour what is the twist of the rifle sometimes a commecial rifle is produced to take a heavier bullet or a lighter bullet. .224 is the standard for the rifle round
Yeah it does like the lighter one.
I just read on another forum that it has a 1 in 12.
But still what do you all think about the pressure situation?
I appreciate it, any info would help me out a ton.
The H&R is a pretty strong action, so the pressure wouldn't be a problem for it with any commercial ammo. Different guns do like different loads though. My Bushpup doesn't like the Winny 45 grain Varmint loads - it makes her go into Rock&Roll! Soft primers, methinks. It does like Rem/UMC 55 grain commercial FMJ.
You'll just have to find the particular load it likes - hopefully not the real expensive stuff!
Wolf and Brown Bear are laquer coated steel cased, which can contribute to difficulty feeding and such when chambered in sensitive rifles designed only for brass.
Also they are made to 5.56 NATO specs, which are more generous than 223. 223 can go into 5.56 NATO chambers but not the other way around as a general rule.
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Well so far mine hasn't had a problem with ejection, not yet anyway.
But I guess Wolf and Brown Bear are made to NATO specs.
H&R actually included a note with the rifle talking about this and how it was designed only for comercial ammunition.
Well I have an update for ya'll
Yesterday was a beutiful day here, it was 55 and clear with no wind. Perfect.
So I got some of the Winchester 45g Varmint rounds from Wally world.
My bench is set up right now for only 120 yards so I put a target up and went back to my bench. After my 3 hours were up, my average group was 3/4 in with my last one ending up in a very proud 1/8 inch group :right:
Needless to say I am very happy with my purchase of the H&R Ultra and with these 45g white box ammo. At least I know what it's capable of now, and I can't wait to start handloading with some Hornady 35g V-Max.
I know man. I got mine from Walmart (not my favorite place mind you) here in VA with tax and all for about $240 clear. It has a pretty good trigger but I wish it was a little bit lighter, perhaps down the road I will get this done. I mainly just bought it for plinking and wasn't expecting the results that it actually has given me, but I aint complaining. I plan on partially floating barrel soon as well.
Great gun for such a cheap price.
it's $300 or so here which is still a lot less compared to other rifles. Wallymart quit selling firearms in california. The only thing stopping me is that I'd have to pay state tax & fees on top of that (another 50 bucks and I'd like to stay sub 300 for this one ).
Yeah it does like the lighter one.
I just read on another forum that it has a 1 in 12.
But still what do you all think about the pressure situation?
I appreciate it, any info would help me out a ton.
The H&R action can take a 30-06 light magnum so the 223 is not a problem
Yeah good point. Do you think they will ever chamber a bigger caliber, like say a 7mmRemMag or other high pressure loads? Whats the largest wildcat put on one of these actions?
I suppose if they ever did, then they would introduce a line of heavier duty actions, but I don't know.
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