Remember the Fallucha Marine....

[Dallas]

The one who was caught on video shooting a wounded Al Queida fighter? I heard on the radio this morning that the Corps has decided not to charge him with anything. Outstanding. :nod:

[Mongo]

That's good to hear! It was pretty sad the way the media hung him out to dry without knowing (or caring) about the circumstances! :nod:

[Shaun]

Great to hear there is some justice

[colt45]

another reason that camera should not be alowed on the battle field they ran with it without reporting what happened. made this poor jar head go through heck fo doing his job.

[junkie]

Hell he out to get a ribbon for that one.

He shot a wounded prisoner. His defense was that he shot him as a mercy killing, unlike what the right wing media made the situation out to be (he shot in self defense). Now you are proud of him for getting off. How many people do you think he convinced that America is evil when he shot a wounded prisoner? How many of those people will join Al qaeda? Funny how people who are all for the 2nd amendment don't mind suspending the free press when it does its job.

[gunssb]

I'm not going to comment on whether what he did was right or wrong - it's a decision he made under the circumstances in the heat of battle. The only problem (like colt45 said) is the cameras - the public is not mentally equipped to handle it.

[dhermesc]

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

He shot a wounded prisoner. His defense was that he shot him as a mercy killing, unlike what the right wing media made the situation out to be (he shot in self defense). Now you are proud of him for getting off. How many people do you think he convinced that America is evil when he shot a wounded prisoner? How many of those people will join Al qaeda? Funny how people who are all for the 2nd amendment don't mind suspending the free press when it does its job.

Actually his defense was that many insurgents booby trap themselves so that they can blow up soldiers and medical personal. The person shot wasn't a prisoner and Al Qaeda claimed America was evil before this. As you were told on another thread, do some research before you start shooting your mouth off.

[gunssb]

"fighter" and "prisoner" are words not meant for these vermin. We are not fighting the army of another country that is part of the UN. Captured PoWs deserve humane treatment - terrorists need to be put down.

Actually his defense was that many insurgents booby trap themselves so that they can blow up soldiers and medical personal. The person shot wasn't a prisoner and Al Qaeda claimed America was evil before this. As you were told on another thread, do some research before you start shooting your mouth off.

His defense in Military court was that it was a mercy killing, that the man was dying anyway, and beyond medical help. It was conservative mouthpieces who pointed out that the day before a guy had gotten killed flipping a body over that was booby-trapped, and they made the conclusion that the reason the Marine shot him was he thought he was booby trapped. BTW, if you pull the pin on a grenade, and then lay on the handle, and someone comes along and shoots you, is the grenade disarmed? That is the booby trap that was used against them the day before. Take your own advice about research, and like I said on another thread, I'll say what I like where I like. If you don't like it, get a box of Kleenex and get ready to cry.

As for him being a terrorist not a fighter, he was wounded and disarmed by other Marines the day before. They didn't see the need to shoot him, why would the next group who came through decide he was suddenly a threat? He was still unarmed, and he wasn't moving, I saw the video with my own eyes. He was not a threat to the Marine in question.

The only problem (like colt45 said) is the cameras - the public is not mentally equipped to handle it.Who do you think you are, to tell the me that I am too stupid to see my tax dollars at work in Iraq? I paid for that bullet, and by god I want to see what my Marines are doing in Iraq. If you can't stomach it, turn it off, but I want to see what is going on, and I expect the Marines to follow international law. If this one was cleared, then fine, there may have been some circumstances the army was aware of that I wasn't. But that does not mean that the camera man did not do his job. He did, and I, as a tax payer, am not doing mine,and you are not doing yours if we don't hold the Marines to the standards of military law.

[gunssb]

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

Who do you think you are, to tell the me that I am too stupid to see my tax dollars at work in Iraq? I paid for that bullet, and by god I want to see what my Marines are doing in Iraq. If you can't stomach it, turn it off, but I want to see what is going on, and I expect the Marines to follow international law. If this one was cleared, then fine, there may have been some circumstances the army was aware of that I wasn't. But that does not mean that the camera man did not do his job. He did, and I, as a tax payer, am not doing mine,and you are not doing yours if we don't hold the Marines to the standards of military law.

what combat experience do you have that you're judging their actions ? I don't so I don't - the guy what he did in the heat of battle. It did not happen in a PoW camp. I do not think these people deserve special consideration under international law - like I said in my previous post that is reserved for people who are soldiers of another country. Not for people who go about slaughtering innocents and our captured soldiers. If you don't like it YOU turn it off.

what the marines are doing with your tax dollars is fighting a bloody urban battle against ruthless fiends. The question of whether they should have been sent there is not for them to decide - you have the right to take that up with the government.

Originally Posted by gunssb

what combat experience do you have that you're judging their actions ? I don't so I don't - the guy what he did in the heat of battle. It did not happen in a PoW camp. I do not think these people deserve special consideration under international law - like I said in my previous post that is reserved for people who are soldiers of another country. Not for people who go about slaughtering innocents and our captured soldiers. If you don't like it YOU turn it off.

what the marines are doing with your tax dollars is fighting a bloody urban battle against ruthless fiends. The question of whether they should have been sent there is not for them to decide - you have the right to take that up with the government.

It was NOT in the heat of battle. It was a day after the battle. You don't have your facts straight, so don't come tell me to get mine in order. I don't have to have combat experience to have a right to know what is going on there, coincidentally a person on a military tribunal doesn't have to have combat experience either, to judge that marine for his actions. Perhaps you know something about the wounded man who was executed that I do not, but I was unaware that he had been observed killing innocents executing american soldiers. I am pretty sure that the Marine who shot him didn't see him doing that, because before he showed up to play executioner the wounded man had been lying on the floor, dying for about a day. Maybe you can show me some evidence of the executed man's war crimes, or maybe you are just talking out of an orifice that is not your mouth. And I DID turn it off, after I got tired of seeing it, but what I can't turn off is my $$ being used to precipate war crimes. That is why the founding fathers made sure that I'd have the right to have a free press to tell me what is going on, so that I CAN take issue with my government for commiting acts I don't approve of.
what the marines are doing with your tax dollars is fighting a bloody urban battle against ruthless fiends.
That is his job. If he can't handle the stress well enough to be able to do his job in accordance with the law, then he needs to find another job. We have a volunteer military, no one made him be a combat Marine. If he can't handle it, he can get a real job. I have a dangerous job also, rated higher than a combat Marine's for probability of death or dismemberment, but if I commit a crime, no one says "cut him some slack, he's been working a lot lately, and its dangerous, he's stressed." They just expect me to follow the law. I expect the Marine in question to do the same. And what I saw did not look like a man firing in self defense. It looked like an !!!!!hole having fun.

[gunssb]

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

It was NOT in the heat of battle. It was a day after the battle. You don't have your facts straight, so don't come tell me to get mine in order. I don't have to have combat experience to have a right to know what is going on there, coincidentally a person on a military tribunal doesn't have to have combat experience either, to judge that marine for his actions. Perhaps you know something about the wounded man who was executed that I do not, but I was unaware that he had been observed killing innocents executing american soldiers. I am pretty sure that the Marine who shot him didn't see him doing that, because before he showed up to play executioner the wounded man had been lying on the floor, dying for about a day. Maybe you can show me some evidence of the executed man's war crimes, or maybe you are just talking out of an orifice that is not your mouth.

I believe the people on the military tribunal have more knowledge and experience than arm-chair judges. This person was not observed in war crimes but he associated himself with people who were and so deserves no mercy.
And we try to keep our arguments and discussions polite around here. Wait let me get down to your level:
get out of my face you little b*tch Before you start screaming war crimes maybe you should take a look at those !!!!!!!s record. Our troops are out there in harms way for people like you who only know how to badmouth & yell "foul".

[dhermesc]

Geneva Convention allows for (calls for) the battle field execution of nonuniformed combatants. The marine was well within any international treaty agreement. His actions were under review of the UCMJ - who also found his actions to be within AMERICAN standards of combat. Where exactly did you read his defense was a "Mercy Killing" the DU?

get out of my face you little b*tch
OR you will do what? Not a thing. You are a powerless punk from SoCal. Where you live people tell you what to do and what to own. Cali got like that on your watch, so I don't think you have much right to tell other folks how to conduct themselves. Come to Alabama and talk to me like that and I'll break your f#cking jaw. Know that.

Before you start screaming war crimes maybe you should take a look at those !!!!!!!s record. Our troops are out there in harms way for people like you who only know how to badmouth & yell "foul".
The troops in Iraq aren't protecting me from anything, or protecting any of my rights. The guns that protect my rights are here, in AL, and they don't belong to the Army or Marines. They belong to me.

[gunssb]

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

OR you will do what? Not a thing. You are a powerless punk from SoCal.

you are welcome to come here and find out Mr Tough Guy (I can give you an address if you want). I always like to keep things civil but you are getting anal for no reason. Moderators feel free to jump in.

Originally Posted by dhermesc

Geneva Convention allows for (calls for) the battle field execution of nonuniformed combatants. The marine was well within any international treaty agreement. His actions were under review of the UCMJ - who also found his actions to be within AMERICAN standards of combat. Where exactly did you read his defense was a "Mercy Killing" the DU?

Funny you should say that. They kicked me off DU for being Pro-RKBA. The fact that I am pro-choice, pro-social medicine, didn't matter, they booted me for not toeing the party line. I get the same reception at RKBA sites for not being a "W" zombie, but for actually being a thinking person who believes in Liberty first. That is how I know I am right, I am unpopular. The GC allows for field execution of spies and sabatouers. And I think a Hauge court would frown on shooting even spies and sabatouers who had been wounded and disarmed.

Originally Posted by gunssb

you are welcome to come here and find out Mr Tough Guy (I can give you an address if you want).

I'll be in Vegas next month, that is more than meeting you halfway. Come to a real state, like Nevada, and we'll see how much you are past mouth.

Originally Posted by gunssb

I always like to keep things civil but you are getting anal for no reason.

Right up until you called me a !!!!!, you little !!!!!.

Originally Posted by gunssb

Moderators feel free to jump in.

yell for your daddy, only he can save you now.

[gunssb]

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

I'll be in Vegas next month, that is more than meeting you halfway. Come to a real state, like Nevada, and we'll see how much you are past mouth.

every person on this site is a gun owner and knows how to protect himself and his family and friends...there is no reason for personal threats (although I can more than accomodate you if challenged). You've brought down the level of this forum. I will not participate in this crap anymore - call me weak/whatever you want.

Oh btw and this so-called liberal weak socal has a pretty big marine base & presence.

Originally Posted by Last Gunslinger

Right up until you called me a !!!!!, you little !!!!!.

Read the posts and try to understand who started all this name calling business.

Originally Posted by gunssb

every person on this site is a gun owner and knows how to protect himself and his family and friends...there is no reason for personal threats (although I can more than accomodate you if challenged). You've brought down the level of this forum. I will not participate in this crap anymore - call me weak/whatever you want.

Oh btw and this so-called liberal weak socal has a pretty big marine base & presence.


Read the posts and try to understand who started all this name calling business.

I didn't threaten you. You told me to get out of your face, you little !!!!!. I didn't. Good thing you have Marines there to protect your rights, since you are in the process of giving up the Right to Keep and Bear Arms there. Some one might have to protect your rights since you'll be incapable of it.
Why don't you show me where I called you a name before you called me !!!!!?