[gunssb]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

Speaking of someone yelling white power,down with non-aryans,etc. you would bust their nutz,how about if they drove slowly through your neighborhood playing hate messages form their 500-1000 watt amplifiers so loud that it rattled your windows all hours of the day and night?

I have no love for gangsta wannabes, ebonics or hydraulics - you might have seen my posts in other threads being sarcastic towards that.

[Rave]

I don't recall seeing them,but I'll take your word for it,but would you do anything,or just try to ignore it?
We just try to chaulk it up to stupidity or blind hatred and consider it just another sign of the times.

[gunssb]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

I don't recall seeing them,but I'll take your word for it,but would you do anything,or just try to ignore it? We just try to chaulk it up to stupidity or blind hatred and consider it just another sign of the times.

well how many stories have you heard where a white man was lynched by one of these punks - hell, white kids think it's malibus most wanted on the streets. I've hear more of that crap from white kids than black these days. Those "white power" guys do have a history of lynching and violence and no once can deny that. As long as the hood types keep bumping each other off, I don't care.

[Rave]

Not any lynching,but not long ago a white man was hacked to death on a main st down town tampa by two young blackmen and while they werer chopping him up they were talking about a football team,still it wasn't a lynching.
Yup,those white power guys do have a history of violence,but as far as violence goes,80% of the violent crime is commited by 20% or the population,that's the black folks.
I am not a racist,but facts are facts and those people have earned a reputation,and although most black folks are not much different from other folks the reputation preceeds them.
If they want to rid themselves of that stigma they must help to reduce that crime,
Even Jesse Jackson when on a lonely st in NYC coming to his hotel room ran into a stranger on that dark st and said he was sad to say,but he was relieved when hr saw it was a white man.
Facts are facts,and it's a sign of troubled times. No offence meant.

[gunssb]

Although blacks and hispanics might be responsible for a lot of crime, I don't think their criminal acts are motivated by racial hatred of white people - I think it's just because they refuse to help themselves, get trapped in the hood/ghetto muck and blame the environment for everything. About the football team incident, I doubt if those people would have cared if the guy was green - they'd have still done it. One or two isolated incidents and Nazi genocide (which stems from "white power") are entirely different stories. Just know that there are blacks & hispanics out there who are highly motivated and are pretty well educated.

[Rave]

I have been trying to speak of behaviour but you keep on playing the race card,most of what we both say is true,but I don't see this dialog as being productive and may only end in more misunderstanding,therefore I am ending it.
Respectfully Rave.

[gunssb]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

I have been trying to speak of behaviour but you keep on playing the race card,most of what we both say is true,but I don't see this dialog as being productive and may only end in more misunderstanding,therefore I am ending it. Respectfully Rave.

I'm not playing the race card, it was Ruf who kept starting the race crap...we know how he "dispises" people of other races. My only point was that "white power" is inherently against humanity and the principles that our nation stands on. So is crime, so I see your point. Sorry if I sounded touchy or a jerk - lets have a beer or something

[Rufus Rhastus J]

yup, that Rufus is a bad man! Rufus learned, some time back, that the race issue must be approached carefully or the drum beat starts. that's exactly the reason I attempted to "qualify" this post as I did. But, as Rave pointed out, you seem awfully touchy and, as mentioned in one of your earlier posts, you mentioned being a man of "color". most here will agree that there is no place for the "race card" here. We are all what we are. Simple and no nonesense.This post was not a stage for you, or others (though sometimes, some cannot resist)to climb onto you high horse and proclaim your level of PCitis...rather, it's point was to address the situation Mr. Zundel was in. Yes, there is no doubt he is an anti-semite, yes, his ideas are at odds with the main PC crowd. Some seek to silence him because they don't like his comments or ideas. but, I'll bet your main reason for being here is because of the wide variety of political/social/religous/tactical/rantings/beliefs and other points of view we all have the freedom to express on this site. Be advised that many other sites/forums do not allow the wide birth we are all allowed by the moderators. Calling me, or any other member, names is frowned upon. You may believe me to be the biggest racist since Hitler. Your opinion and, you are free to have it. but, if I called you names as unflattering as you seem free to apply to me, i know you would be angered. It saddens me (not much since your are not the first nor are you imaginative to come up with anything new). Oh, and while I am discussing it, though it is clear my spelling leaves much to be desired, it is by no means a measure of my smarts. I assure you, as you called me, not long after your arrival, I am not stupid. Yup, what a way to endear yourself, as a new member, at our forum. I'll remind you it is a privalige to be a member of this forum. This forum owes none of us anything. The moderators spend thier hard earned money to pay for this forum so that you, me and anyone else may join the family. I may be the "red headed step child" of the forum but, I am thankful to be a member. Thank you for listening.

[gunssb]

I think I've established an okay rapport with other members on this forum already and I don't need your approval. As for the forum and it's rules, one of rules seems that there will be no discrimination. Most of the members and the moderators will agree that being a white supremist is something to be condemned. Like I said, I'm not PC but if you want to despise me based on the color of my skin, go ahead & do so. I've had enough of this crap.

And as far as the topic of this thread goes, sure everyone has the right to free speech. But pull that white supremist crap in front of me & I will construe that as a threat.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

You are correct, my approval is not needed, nor was it offered. I just made the attempt to point out who what my motives were. but, as expected, useing your words, some free speech you view as an attack. Me thinks "the lady doth protest too much". but, we all know you are special. so, okay, you win. Probably better to drop this since you refuse to accept my explaination for the thread and, the reason i posted it. I assure you, it was not for your benifit.

[gunssb]

see my previous posts - I've never in my life used race to advance my career or done any kind of whining - it's the whole "white supremacy" bs that gets to me & there is reasonable cause for that as history has shown. But you seem to think that that is unreasonable.

Also, it's spelt "using", "explanation" and "benefit".

[Rave]

Hi gunssb,no I wouldn't mind sittin' down with you and having a cold one,as long as we didn't talk about you know what.
I haven't been able to get on the forum for a few days or I would have contacted you sooner,it's 8:49 PM here in Tampa town and all's well in the fortress.

[gunssb]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rave

Hi gunssb,no I wouldn't mind sittin' down with you and having a cold one,as long as we didn't talk about you know what.

Sure we could. And we could talk about this whole race crap too...I'm not the sensitive kind. I'm not into all this African/Chinese/Hispanic/Green/Purple/whatever-your-identity-American - so please stop labeling me as such. I have more white friends than say black or hispanic. I just don't particularly believe in this race supremist crap or race-based hatred (on both sides) or cleansing or burning crosses

[Rave]

OK,I don't want to talk about it,I am so sick of hearing it I could just puke!
Now I am labeling you,man you are just too much of a racist for me,forget about that cold one,this is just more S.O.S.!
Sorry I answered your post,it won't happen again.

[gunssb]

whatever - I'm sick of it too but you guys won't let it go and are hell bent on defending white supremist aholes. I think you misunderstood me - all I was saying that I don't mind discussing anything as long as it's reasonable. I'm not touchy about silly things.

Quote:       Originally Posted by Big Dog

Hard to call this one, without seeing the "secret evidence". He shouldn't be victimised just for having an opinion - being an A-H isn't a crime - yet. But if he's been involved with the White Supremecy Movement - hang the fool! Or at least kick him out . . .

:right: :right: :right:

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

"Mr. Zundel's activities are not only a threat to Canada's national security, but also a threat to the international community of nations." No appeal is possible under the controversial national security certificate procedure, meaning Mr. Zundel could be on a plane to his native Germany at any time.

Sounds familiar to me, but another sovereign nations policies are their own; and not ours to meddle in. So much for free speech.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

good point. yes, agreed. But, wrongfull laws should be an afront to all of us. Free speech is a right, though certainly under attack, we still have in an adjusted form. What happened to the gentelman refered to in the news article, was wrong but is systemic of our society's behaviour. whatever some little, but vocal minority says, seems to be what the leaders cowtow to. So, you're right, though were are somewhat curtailed in the areana of free speech, we can still toss ourselves on our own swords and get that last remark out before the stage goes dark. Who would want to live on thier knees? Who really wants to be asked a question and be afraid to answer with anything but the party line's prepared answer?

[ruger22com]

Its not happening in america so who cares?, and what americans forget is when you leave our country...your "rights" stay here.