Wisconsin Considers Legalizing Cat Hunting - Page 2

MAX7.62 · 04-13-2005, 07:56 AM

Hey Big Dog, a supressed .22 is by far the best cat weapon in an uraban environment. Be sure to land a good head shot otherwise fluffy makes more noise than the rifle does - which alerts any Yotes in the vacinity and brings them in - so keep the .270 ready in case they show up.

Rufus Rhastus J · 04-13-2005, 08:23 AM

L-imp D?

Big Dog · 04-13-2005, 10:15 AM

MAX7.62 - no yotes here - I'm suburban, surrounded by neighbors. Can't use anything loud or that could penetrate my privacy fence! The Colibri is about as much as I can do for now. Good thing is, we don't see the same cats for too long. The dogs get 'em . . . :cheer:

Ruf, that joke's been beat to death, son. Give it a rest . . . :smash:

Shaun · 04-13-2005, 10:36 AM

OKay this is one thread I am done with as I am a cat owner and I have a cat I adopted at a local petstore that I can tell was hit with a BB it is under her skin by her ear and it ticks me off that some would shoot such a nice animal

Rugged · 04-13-2005, 10:56 AM

Yeah, shooting animals wit wounding weapons isn't ethical or humane. That's why my round of choice for feral domestic cats is .416 rigby

Sniper[MI] · 04-13-2005, 11:02 AM

I don't think anyone here is promoting animal cruelty...

That being said, Feral cats do much more damage than good. Talk to any wildlife biologist.

In years past, we have had contact with feral cats while out hunting. When a cat does not back down from 5 guys and 2 dogs, and goes about charging a dog, a 12 guage is the only answer for that cat. Mangy wild cat or a newly blinded 700 dollar hunting dog, easy choice.

The bottom line here, if more pet owners were responsible pet owners, the feral cat problem would be a minute one......

Chadwick · 04-15-2005, 12:15 AM

It dosen't matter what Madison says, if I find a cat in my yard hunting birds, rabbits, squirrels and what ever else they can find to kill, I will end them in a hurry. I have several cat exterminating calibers to choose from. The 06 is a nice choice, makes a fine red mist when you hit them with 150 grain Balistic Tips. The 45-70 is a tad harsh with 300 grain hollow points but effective none the less. The 300 Ultra mag is a bit over powered for cats but big guns need some fun too. I have been thinking about aquiring a 220 swift or 22-250 for varmints and just funning around but I expect they would be wonderful cat calibers. The point being is that if people can't be responsable with their cats then it is time to thin the heard, it's not that I dislike all cats, I just dislike the ones in my yard killing every thing in sight.

Chad :assult:

Shaun · 04-15-2005, 12:39 AM

how do you identify a domestic cat owned by your neighbor from a wild cat -- hunting birds is instictual to the animal

toolman · 04-15-2005, 01:04 AM

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread as I am too lazy, but I view the Wi cat problem as similar to the Tx wild pig prob.- they both started as a domestic animal but "evolved or devolved" depending on viewpoint. At this time both are considered as pests just like prairie dogs and rats. I'm not a cat hater ( I've been the priviledged friend to many) but any animal can turn wild, look at humans. During deer season a lot of our local farmers are begging hunters to shoot does for free as our doe season is very short and the population is out of control. Ironically the buck season is 3-4 times as long even though we have a very high twin/triplet rate for does.

gunssb · 04-15-2005, 01:15 AM

I think Shaun's point is well taken - that cat might be someone's pet unlike someone's livestock or a deer. I apologize if I said something stupid - was just being silly. I'd never hunt anyone's pet.

rodekill · 04-15-2005, 08:24 AM

Finally a state with b***s, I read someone was in the burbs. I have 2 solutions
1. we use air rifles. Not the spring piston kind. use a pump gun
2. .22 caliber with at least 18" barrel with CB shorts, they're even quieter
(The romanian 1969 has a 23 " barrel and is accurate to the dime)
We need a Smiley tha'ts a sniper!!

ShooMac · 04-15-2005, 09:59 AM

I rescued two kittens last year from someone who was NOT a responsible cat owner. You have to get your cats & dogs spayed or neutered ASAP.
Why does this law single out cats? I think that dogs running loose are a bigger issue. How many joggers do you know who have been mauled to death by (household) cats? If I see a pit bull running around loose I should be able to shoot it, no questions asked.

Chadwick · 04-15-2005, 10:05 AM

Shaun,

The point I am trying to make is that it is illegal for me to let my dog wander all over the neighborhood so why is it ok for people to let there cats roam anywhere and everywhere?? If I let my dog roam all over then animal control comes in and hauls him off to the pound and I pay 50 to 70 bucks to get him out. The other thing is that most domestic cats will just kill something and let it lay, sorry if I offended but it is offensive to me when I find dead animals in my yard and then find a cat sneaking/hunting around my yard. Also remember I didn't say I would hunt them, just don't feel it is right for people to let their cats roam. My dog is 1/2 timberwolf, how much hunting instinct do you think he has?? I don't let him wander due to his hunting instinct, how quick do you think he would get shot if he were out killing things in peoples yards? Pretty darn quick I bet. I realize he is 4 times the size of a cat but the principle is the same. Just my 2 cents.

Chad

ShooMac · 04-15-2005, 10:07 AM

Which also provides another example of why citizens should be allowed to carry in public.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/15/pit....ap/index.html

gunssb · 04-15-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadwick

The point I am trying to make is that it is illegal for me to let my dog wander all over the neighborhood so why is it ok for people to let there cats roam anywhere and everywhere??

What he's saying is that they have different personalities from dogs. You can't keep a cat cooped up.

Shaun · 04-15-2005, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunssb

What he's saying is that they have different personalities from dogs. You can't keep a cat cooped up.

exactly cats are masters of getting out of collars and harnesses, they are natural hunters and they are good for keeping mice under control -- I live in a rural environment and the cats roam the neighborhood and we do not have a mouse problem. Remember cats are not as dependant on human intervention as most dogs are, this is ine reason cats are not required to be leashed.

Chadwick · 04-15-2005, 10:49 AM

So you are saying that there is a double standard when it comes to family pets? It is ok for a person to let their cats roam the neighborhood but it is illeagal for dogs to do the same? It is ok for cats to get into peoples garbage set out for morning pick up and get into other mischief but not dogs. Ok reality check here, it is not ok for any family pet to roam free put a leash on them when they are out, if they can get out of their collars then put them in a harness(they make them for cats too). A cat's personality is not enough reason to let them roam. A pet owner has responsibilities, it is a big word I know but we can handle it.
I have the responsibility to learn how to spell better, please excuse any typo's I might have made. Hey I am not trying to argue with you I just think we all have to be responsible with our pets, any reference to hunting cats with high powered rifles is just my way of kidding around.

gunssb · 04-15-2005, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadwick

A cat's personality is not enough reason to let them roam. A pet owner has responcabilities, it is a big word I know but we can handle it.

Perhaps you should first learn to spell it right: http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-b...bility&x=0&y=0

I'd suggest that as a newcomer you tone it down a tad.

I do not own cats and for me a dog makes a better pet, but I think the idea of putting cats on a leash is absurd - dogs adapt to it naturally, cats don't. This is something that has been studied. I agree that they can cause a nuisance if they're dumping their stuff in your yard, but perhaps talking to the owner is the first step if it's a pet. If not, go ahead & shoot it, call animal control, what you want.

Chadwick · 04-15-2005, 11:46 AM

Wow where did that come from?? Are you having a bad day "gunssb"? Come on I am just voicing my opinion that's all, didn't realize it was not allowed by "NEWCOMERS" to do so. Oh and thanks for the spelling comment, didn't realize you were taking score. Thanks for the warm welcome it is appreciated.:right:

gunssb · 04-15-2005, 11:51 AM

Please look at your comment that I've quoted ("it is a big word I know but we can handle it" - I thought this was in poor taste). I would hardly say being a responsible member of the society is something that an ex cop needs to be told.

04-13-2005, 07:56 AM	#21
MAX7.62 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Classified Posts: 934	Hey Big Dog, a supressed .22 is by far the best cat weapon in an uraban environment. Be sure to land a good head shot otherwise fluffy makes more noise than the rifle does - which alerts any Yotes in the vacinity and brings them in - so keep the .270 ready in case they show up. __________________ The Second Amendment, it ain't about DUCK HUNTING! I feel more like I do now that I did when I first got here!

04-13-2005, 08:23 AM	#22
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	L-imp D? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

04-13-2005, 10:15 AM	#23
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,214	MAX7.62 - no yotes here - I'm suburban, surrounded by neighbors. Can't use anything loud or that could penetrate my privacy fence! The Colibri is about as much as I can do for now. Good thing is, we don't see the same cats for too long. The dogs get 'em . . . :cheer: Ruf, that joke's been beat to death, son. Give it a rest . . . :smash: __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

04-13-2005, 10:36 AM	#24
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	OKay this is one thread I am done with as I am a cat owner and I have a cat I adopted at a local petstore that I can tell was hit with a BB it is under her skin by her ear and it ticks me off that some would shoot such a nice animal __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

04-13-2005, 10:56 AM	#25
Rugged Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 392	Yeah, shooting animals wit wounding weapons isn't ethical or humane. That's why my round of choice for feral domestic cats is .416 rigby __________________ http://www.thedrunken.net/images/mis...rderpatrol.jpg

04-13-2005, 11:02 AM	#26
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	I don't think anyone here is promoting animal cruelty... That being said, Feral cats do much more damage than good. Talk to any wildlife biologist. In years past, we have had contact with feral cats while out hunting. When a cat does not back down from 5 guys and 2 dogs, and goes about charging a dog, a 12 guage is the only answer for that cat. Mangy wild cat or a newly blinded 700 dollar hunting dog, easy choice. The bottom line here, if more pet owners were responsible pet owners, the feral cat problem would be a minute one...... __________________ FNUH!

04-15-2005, 12:15 AM	#27
Chadwick Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin Posts: 21	It dosen't matter what Madison says, if I find a cat in my yard hunting birds, rabbits, squirrels and what ever else they can find to kill, I will end them in a hurry. I have several cat exterminating calibers to choose from. The 06 is a nice choice, makes a fine red mist when you hit them with 150 grain Balistic Tips. The 45-70 is a tad harsh with 300 grain hollow points but effective none the less. The 300 Ultra mag is a bit over powered for cats but big guns need some fun too. I have been thinking about aquiring a 220 swift or 22-250 for varmints and just funning around but I expect they would be wonderful cat calibers. The point being is that if people can't be responsable with their cats then it is time to thin the heard, it's not that I dislike all cats, I just dislike the ones in my yard killing every thing in sight. Chad :assult:

04-15-2005, 12:39 AM	#28
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,592 Images: 1	how do you identify a domestic cat owned by your neighbor from a wild cat -- hunting birds is instictual to the animal __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

04-15-2005, 01:04 AM	#29
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,582 Blog Entries: 22	I haven't read all of the posts in this thread as I am too lazy, but I view the Wi cat problem as similar to the Tx wild pig prob.- they both started as a domestic animal but "evolved or devolved" depending on viewpoint. At this time both are considered as pests just like prairie dogs and rats. I'm not a cat hater ( I've been the priviledged friend to many) but any animal can turn wild, look at humans. During deer season a lot of our local farmers are begging hunters to shoot does for free as our doe season is very short and the population is out of control. Ironically the buck season is 3-4 times as long even though we have a very high twin/triplet rate for does. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

04-15-2005, 01:15 AM	#30
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	I think Shaun's point is well taken - that cat might be someone's pet unlike someone's livestock or a deer. I apologize if I said something stupid - was just being silly. I'd never hunt anyone's pet.

04-15-2005, 08:24 AM	#31
rodekill Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: central Indiana Posts: 85	Finally a state with b***s, I read someone was in the burbs. I have 2 solutions 1. we use air rifles. Not the spring piston kind. use a pump gun 2. .22 caliber with at least 18" barrel with CB shorts, they're even quieter (The romanian 1969 has a 23 " barrel and is accurate to the dime) We need a Smiley tha'ts a sniper!! __________________ America began at the muzzle of a gun, I hope we don't have to do it again!

04-15-2005, 09:59 AM	#32
ShooMac Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 354	I rescued two kittens last year from someone who was NOT a responsible cat owner. You have to get your cats & dogs spayed or neutered ASAP. Why does this law single out cats? I think that dogs running loose are a bigger issue. How many joggers do you know who have been mauled to death by (household) cats? If I see a pit bull running around loose I should be able to shoot it, no questions asked. __________________ "Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash

04-15-2005, 10:05 AM	#33
Chadwick Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin Posts: 21	Shaun, The point I am trying to make is that it is illegal for me to let my dog wander all over the neighborhood so why is it ok for people to let there cats roam anywhere and everywhere?? If I let my dog roam all over then animal control comes in and hauls him off to the pound and I pay 50 to 70 bucks to get him out. The other thing is that most domestic cats will just kill something and let it lay, sorry if I offended but it is offensive to me when I find dead animals in my yard and then find a cat sneaking/hunting around my yard. Also remember I didn't say I would hunt them, just don't feel it is right for people to let their cats roam. My dog is 1/2 timberwolf, how much hunting instinct do you think he has?? I don't let him wander due to his hunting instinct, how quick do you think he would get shot if he were out killing things in peoples yards? Pretty darn quick I bet. I realize he is 4 times the size of a cat but the principle is the same. Just my 2 cents. Chad

04-15-2005, 10:07 AM	#34
ShooMac Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 354	Questions linger after deadly pit bull attack Which also provides another example of why citizens should be allowed to carry in public. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/15/pit....ap/index.html __________________ "Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun." - Ash

04-15-2005, 10:49 AM	#37
Chadwick Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin Posts: 21	So you are saying that there is a double standard when it comes to family pets? It is ok for a person to let their cats roam the neighborhood but it is illeagal for dogs to do the same? It is ok for cats to get into peoples garbage set out for morning pick up and get into other mischief but not dogs. Ok reality check here, it is not ok for any family pet to roam free put a leash on them when they are out, if they can get out of their collars then put them in a harness(they make them for cats too). A cat's personality is not enough reason to let them roam. A pet owner has responsibilities, it is a big word I know but we can handle it. I have the responsibility to learn how to spell better, please excuse any typo's I might have made. Hey I am not trying to argue with you I just think we all have to be responsible with our pets, any reference to hunting cats with high powered rifles is just my way of kidding around. Last edited by Chadwick; 04-15-2005 at 10:59 AM.

04-15-2005, 11:46 AM	#39
Chadwick Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Menomonie, Wisconsin Posts: 21	Wow where did that come from?? Are you having a bad day "gunssb"? Come on I am just voicing my opinion that's all, didn't realize it was not allowed by "NEWCOMERS" to do so. Oh and thanks for the spelling comment, didn't realize you were taking score. Thanks for the warm welcome it is appreciated.:right:

04-15-2005, 11:51 AM	#40
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,833	Please look at your comment that I've quoted ("it is a big word I know but we can handle it" - I thought this was in poor taste). I would hardly say being a responsible member of the society is something that an ex cop needs to be told.