i noticed something...

[Gunnie Ed]

no real point, i just think this is interesting enough to share.


We have exhausted all of our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that . . . we have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily.
--Tom Daschle, in 1998, when President Clinton, struck Iraq

This president failed so miserably in diplomacy that we are now forced to war.
--Tom Daschle, last year, when President Bush, struck Iraq

[PAPA G]

S.O.S.* when ever one party has the power, they are correct.
when the other party is out of power, everything is wrong.
right or wrong is defined by the power structure, commonsense,
reasoning, whats right is tossed out the window.



*S.O.S. is the intelectual property of Rave, and is used with agreement that nothing is ever really new, just recycled poopies.

[tommy]

but if there were not w.m.d's found in iraq woudn't that mean that suddam was complying with the law( atleast that law)

[Rave]

It doesn't matter.

[PAPA G]

Originally Posted by tommy

but if there were not w.m.d's found in iraq woudn't that mean that suddam was complying with the law( atleast that law)

Sodamm Insane is an evil smack, he used WMD's during the Iraq-Iran war, he gassed the Kurds, he gassed his own people. just cause we didn't find them don't mean they didn't exist. my bet is the weapons are safe in Syria.....or more likely they are buried somewhere in Iraq. just a matter of time.

but hey!!! you know what!!! if some grunt, or straightleg is digging a latrine, and hits the mother load of buried chemical weapons, you know what happens___________________________________________ ______. ? ! (i let you fill in the blank)









:jet:

[Gunnie Ed]

Tommy: who's to say he didn't? just because we didn't find any actual NBC weapons, doesn't mean he wasn't working on them. i mean, we found all manner of praphinalia required to make it. not just pesticide and the like, but facilities for the production of it.

of course, then you have the atrocities he commited, you know, gassing the kurds, sending people to prison and torturing them to death, ect. he should have been removed from power. and the UN wasn't about to let that happen. the bush administration wanted to remove Husein from power, and in order to get the UN on their side(who are blind to acts of mass murder), they called attention to his WMD programmes, wether he had them or not. it's polatics.


PG: he's not insane, stop calling him that. just because he's a despot, and could be classified as evil doesn't mean he's mentally impaired or inferior. reffering to him as such diminishes the threat he posed.

[troylaplante]

Originally Posted by tommy

but if there were not w.m.d's found in iraq woudn't that mean that suddam was complying with the law( atleast that law)

Nope. He hadn't complied for a dozen years. As we were about to come and invade, he started hauling them out of the country and hiding them in country. Don't believe everything you hear in the media. Some people I know who were in Iraq have told me about finding WMDs that just don't get reported. We have found stuff that HAS been reported in the news, yet they get downplayed. There is also evidence of Russian troops having come in to truck away weapons just as we were entering the country. Ever wonder why France, Germany, and Russia were so opposed to us going into Iraq? A communications tech I know in Iraq told us about getting the infrastructure back up and running in the Iraqi oil fields. He said that several computer systems had been found that were in French and German. We also found caches of French weapons. NEVER believe the media reporting on the topic.

[inuyasha]

Originally Posted by PAPA G

Sodamm Insane is an evil smack, he used WMD's during the Iraq-Iran war, he gassed the Kurds, he gassed his own people. just cause we didn't find them don't mean they didn't exist. my bet is the weapons are safe in Syria.....or more likely they are buried somewhere in Iraq. just a matter of time.
:jet:

wouldnt be overly surprising.. i recall a while back military jets being dug up in the desert... the idea isnt really a new one -- they had videogames back in 1994 or so *not to trivialize it* with similar ideas -- desert/urban/jungle strike for genesis had scud launchers and tanks buried in sand dunes. a while after that time the news was showing clips mig's and whatnot being dug up.. i hear small arms caches being buried... wouldnt be too hard to bury a nuke, or part of one and destroy the rest of it.. as for the weapons being found in iraq they had many russian and chinese weapons found.. but the same arguement is brought up that the us sold them some too... only problem with that is the russian and chinese stuff is more recent. the winds of time are blowin and the storms of war approacheth... are our kommunist komrades truly allies, or wolf in disguise

[Troy]

i firmly believe that the weapons were there and have since been hidden or relocated out of Iraq. if you want to consider that for a moment that there were no weapons in Iraq at the time of the US lead Invasion, you can bet the bank that the invasion stopped Iraq's efforts to obtain WMD. You know what, either way I see it as a sucess story cause the real weapon, Saddam Hussein is out of buisness. Along with his to POS sons.

[wirehunt]

Old Saddam and chemicals eh.............. When he used them on Iran was about when he was in bed with the U.S. wasn't it????????????

[Gunnie Ed]

yeah, and Al-Qaida got most of their equipment (including stinger missiles) when they were in bed with the Regan administration.

let's not forget that Iran contra thing.

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[tommy]

it would have just been nice if they would have found something.

[Stopper]

there was nothing there, just like the inspectors told us, and like the british memo "the facts were being fixed around policy". It was all one big huge lie, kinda makes slick willie's lie's small in comparison. But what the heck, he's a repub and dangit no matter how many lies or how big the lie's or how big he makes the gummit or how much of our kid's money he is spending - he's great!!! Whooaaa, what a load of BS.

[Shaun]

I still think there is something buried in that sandbox. Remember they buried Migs to hide them from us. -- I look at it this way if People in TN are still finding live ammo from WWII practice all around TN 60 years later -- what will be found in Iraq at a later date

[Stopper]

If something is found it will have been planted or they would have found it. They buried MIG's cause thats all they had to bury. Read the British "smoking gun memo" if you haven't already, makes me fume cause I've been lied to by another prez. except this lie got alot of good men and women killed when they shouldn't have been forced to leave thier families in the first place. Lying seems to be a pre-requisite for president's these days.

[tommy]

to me suddam would have used what he had on us if he had antthing at all. think about it he had the worlds most powerful army comin for him and his days were numbered why not go out with a bang.

[Apollyon67]

the man was in hiding in a rathole, he didn't have the ba**s to "go out with a bang" and again, some fail to notice that he had already used wmds. Would you assume he didn't because he said he didn't?

[Javert]

Originally Posted by Gunnie Ed

PG: he's not insane, stop calling him that. just because he's a despot, and could be classified as evil doesn't mean he's mentally impaired or inferior. reffering to him as such diminishes the threat he posed.

He is, however, a sociopath.