Senate panel votes to expand Patriot Act

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-09-2005, 09:44 PM

http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-573...6302&subj=news

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June 7, 2005 7:22 PM PDT
Senate panel votes to expand Patriot Act

Forget scaling back the Patriot Act.

Instead, the controversial post-9/11 law would be expanded to give the FBI new powers to demand documents from companies without a judge's approval, according to a vote late Tuesday by the Senate Intelligence committee.

The final text of the Senate Intelligence committee's amendments was not immediately available (here's a draft dated last month), and reporters were barred from the secret session during which the vote was held.

But the proposal appears to grant the FBI more power to seek information from banks, hospitals, libraries, and so on through "administrative subpoenas" without prior judicial oversight. The subpoenas are only supposed to be used for terrorism or clandestine intelligence cases.

One other detail: the FBI may designate that the subpoenas are secret and punish disclosure of their existence with up to one year in prison (and five years if the disclosure is deemed to "obstruct an investigation.")

In testimony in April, FBI director Robert Mueller said: "The administrative subpoena power would be a valuable complement to (existing) tools and provide added efficiency to the FBI's ability to investigate and disrupt terrorism operations and our intelligence gathering efforts."

The ACLU denounced the Senate Intelligence committee's vote. "In a move antithetical to our Constitution, the new 'administrative subpoena' authority would let the FBI write and approve its own search orders for intelligence investigations, without prior judicial approval," the group said in a statement. "Americans have a reasonable expectation that their federal government will not gather records about their health, their wealth and the transactions of their daily life without probable cause of a crime and without a court order."

In theory, the expand-the-Patriot-Act bill now goes to the Senate floor for a vote. But some negotiations are likely to take place between the Intelligence and Judiciary committee, and that could affect the final form of the legislation.

Posted by Declan McCullagh

Forget freedom, I want in on the power.
Clandestine operative intern? Yeah, that sounds good.

PAPA G · 06-09-2005, 10:25 PM

ooooooooooo...i'm shaking in my orthopedic boots

better get pestering your congress critters.

Dale · 06-10-2005, 07:59 AM

At the rate 'they' are going writing a Congressman complaining about the Patriot Act (or any other matter) will soon become a felony...comparable to questioning the communist state.

I personally think they are working at getting carte blanche powers which, in essence, means we will have no protection from anything they do in the name of security.

rodekill · 06-10-2005, 08:54 AM

Ok..... lets just stop. Somethings got to get done here. Let's go dig through the congressmans trash and see what we find. let's get some real facts and not what the press is being allowed to print. yes I said allowed. There is something written on a government document that says
"NO unreasonable search and siezure" . what's next folks? It's becoming a state of perpetual PARANOIA, I' gettin tired, I need the truth!

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-10-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale

At the rate 'they' are going writing a Congressman complaining about the Patriot Act (or any other matter) will soon become a felony...comparable to questioning the communist state.

I personally think they are working at getting carte blanche powers which, in essence, means we will have no protection from anything they do in the name of security.

Guess I'm not the only wach-o aboard.

Rave · 06-10-2005, 09:09 AM

Give 'em an inch.... :jet:

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-10-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rave

Give 'em an inch.... :jet:

They already have a mile! Now they want to get the highway!

I hope the elected one's realize, they, too are fair game...not just "the little people"! :full:

Stopper · 06-10-2005, 10:12 AM

"Anyone who incites violence, other than those elected, will have to face the law."

The mindset of the elite.

PAPA G · 06-10-2005, 11:44 AM

if you malcontents spent as much time and effort, beeching to the elected reps, as is spent beaching on the internet.

'nuff said.

GUNRUNNER · 06-10-2005, 04:38 PM

Patriot act has affected me in no way...matter of fact, it has not affected anyone I know and there hasn't been another terrorist attack...hmmmm...imagine that.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-10-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GUNRUNNER

Patriot act has affected me in no way...matter of fact, it has not affected anyone I know and there hasn't been another terrorist attack...hmmmm...imagine that.

Oppressive governments don't have terrorist attacks or uprisings; et al China, Iraq, North Korea, Cuba......

First it terrorism then it will be white guys with guns who are staunch conservatives and don't like the government. And you think Clinton went a little too far with the ATF? Let his wife get ahold of this nice new toy for getting rid of gun owners!

Power Corrupts; Absolute Power Currupts Absolutely!

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-11-2005, 03:28 AM

Oppressive goverments never let anyone know they have terrorist attacks or uprisings, after all, they rule by terror.

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-11-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GUNRUNNER

Patriot act has affected me in no way...matter of fact, it has not affected anyone I know and there hasn't been another terrorist attack...hmmmm...imagine that.

SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP!!!!!!!!!!! You know the patriot act is bad medicine. Behave yourself!

Thrawn · 06-11-2005, 10:09 AM

How long before gummit agents start wearing jack boots?

PAPA G · 06-11-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP!!!!!!!!!!! You know the patriot act is bad medicine. Behave yourself!

maybe if you wear a sheet round yer coconut :right:

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-12-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GUNRUNNER

Patriot act has affected me in no way...matter of fact, it has not affected anyone I know and there hasn't been another terrorist attack...hmmmm...imagine that.

Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
And just because another terrorist attack on US soil hasn't happened,
doesn't mean the patriot act is working.
The data showing whether or not is working is classified, so if it's not, you'll never know. And if you somehow find out, off to jail you go.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-12-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NorCalAshnjikov

Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
And just because another terrorist attack on US soil hasn't happened,
doesn't mean the patriot act is working.
The data showing whether or not is working is classified, so if it's not, you'll never know. And if you somehow find out, off to jail you go.

NorCal I believe it is working and very well; They did a study in the county I used to live in about how many cars are pulled and searched for drugs: 1/10th (that's 10 percent) were guilty of something. They're reply was "It Works".

Thrawn · 06-12-2005, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rave

S.O.S.

:nod:

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-12-2005, 08:18 AM

Do you also believe the sky is Magenta?
Fallacies is propaganda.

GUNRUNNER · 06-12-2005, 08:21 AM

Yabba dabba doo doo..................

06-10-2005, 07:59 AM	#3
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	At the rate 'they' are going writing a Congressman complaining about the Patriot Act (or any other matter) will soon become a felony...comparable to questioning the communist state. I personally think they are working at getting carte blanche powers which, in essence, means we will have no protection from anything they do in the name of security. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

06-10-2005, 08:54 AM	#4
rodekill Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: central Indiana Posts: 85	Ok..... lets just stop. Somethings got to get done here. Let's go dig through the congressmans trash and see what we find. let's get some real facts and not what the press is being allowed to print. yes I said allowed. There is something written on a government document that says "NO unreasonable search and siezure" . what's next folks? It's becoming a state of perpetual PARANOIA, I' gettin tired, I need the truth! __________________ America began at the muzzle of a gun, I hope we don't have to do it again!

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Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,875	Give 'em an inch.... :jet: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

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Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	"Anyone who incites violence, other than those elected, will have to face the law." The mindset of the elite. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

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PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	ooooooooooo...i'm shaking in my orthopedic boots better get pestering your congress critters.

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PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12	if you malcontents spent as much time and effort, beeching to the elected reps, as is spent beaching on the internet. 'nuff said.

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GUNRUNNER Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NRAJOEVILLE...A crazy, happy little place. Posts: 450	Patriot act has affected me in no way...matter of fact, it has not affected anyone I know and there hasn't been another terrorist attack...hmmmm...imagine that.

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NorCalAshnjikov Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 688 Images: 1	Oppressive goverments never let anyone know they have terrorist attacks or uprisings, after all, they rule by terror.

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06-12-2005, 08:18 AM	#19
NorCalAshnjikov Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 688 Images: 1	Do you also believe the sky is Magenta? Fallacies is propaganda.

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