Flag Desecration

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-15-2005, 07:33 PM

Should there be a law against flag desecration with penalties of fines and/or imprisonment?

PAPA G · 06-15-2005, 07:42 PM

of course not. despicable an act as flag desecration is, its protected by 1st Amendment. usually fines and laws against it can only be enforced when said act is committed on public property, when said act is done in a way to cause possible danger to others e.g. flag burning.

:lucky:

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-15-2005, 07:44 PM

I bring this up as today is Flag Day; and thus conversation ensued today about it.

PAPA G · 06-15-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I bring this up as today is Flag Day; and thus conversation ensued today about it.

yesterday was flag day.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-15-2005, 07:49 PM

really; My bad; they were talking about it and I thought they said today.

lefty o · 06-15-2005, 11:40 PM

i dont see how freedom of speech can protect a flag burner. voicing an opinion and demonstrating an opinion(flag burning) are not the same thing. at least thats the way i see it, but it is your right to disagree with me. :cheer:

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-16-2005, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

i dont see how freedom of speech can protect a flag burner. voicing an opinion and demonstrating an opinion(flag burning) are not the same thing. at least thats the way i see it, but it is your right to disagree with me. :cheer:

Well, maybe it's not a crime...but, it should be.....at the very least, it shows me that the person who would do this is totally without class.

gunssb · 06-16-2005, 04:26 AM

off wiz ze balls :right:

06-16-2005, 06:51 AM

In a free society where it often seems nothing is sacred, many feel that one thing at least should be: the American flag. For most Americans, no symbol is more charged with emotion, and incidents of its abuse have led many to declare that freedom of expression has its limits.

When Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag as part of a political protest, he was convicted for flag desecration under Texas law, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed the conviction on First Amendment grounds and the Supreme Court confirmed that physically damaging the flag constituted symbolic--and protected--speech

jerry · 06-16-2005, 07:04 AM

Too many laws now. I think propper protocall for this would be for society to turn the other cheek when the flag burner gets the crap beat out of him. BTW, Rights Smites. 50 or 60 years ago with a zillion less laws and the same civil rights, this is how it would have been done.

Desicrate a flag in fron of me & I'll take my chances.

rebel727 · 06-16-2005, 07:25 AM

There was a pic several years ago that I loved. I think it was an Iraqi during a demonstration that poured gas on an American flag and set it on fire and himself too. He was covered in flames. Poetic justice. :right:

Thrawn · 06-16-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rebel727

There was a pic several years ago that I loved. I think it was an Iraqi during a demonstration that poured gas on an American flag and set it on fire and himself too. He was covered in flames. Poetic justice. :right:

Here's the pic. flag burner

Thrawn · 06-16-2005, 08:59 AM

I like this one too.

silentknight · 06-16-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn

I like this one too.

HA!, I needed that this morning. Thanks!

Dale · 06-16-2005, 09:59 AM

Make it punishable.

The first amendment protects the right to free 'speech'....something that said, written, articled, etc....not some action.

There are some things in life, by their nature or definition, demands respect and the flag is one of those things.

Big Dog · 06-16-2005, 10:42 AM

Yes, it should be a punishable offense. Voicing an opinion is a totally different thing from desecrating one's national flag.
If it's okay to burn the flag, then it should be okay to deck the stupid SOB that did it. Just voicing my opinion. :nod:

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-16-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale

The first amendment protects the right to free 'speech'....something that said, written, articled, etc....not some action.

So when someone is flapping their lips, that's not action?

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-16-2005, 01:32 PM

Doesn't matter how offended people get,
the day flag burning becomes illegal
is the day we lose all our guns.

hounddawg · 06-16-2005, 04:17 PM

I understand all y'alls fellings about flag-burning. It seems to me though that the crazy burner has or believieves that he has a legitimate reason to do it. I don't condone it, but I can try to understand it.

The thing that burns me up, however, is the total lack of respect towards this symbol by supposedly patriotic Americans. I have seen the raggedest, nastiest American flags flying (at night without illumination on it, too) at private residences. I'm sorry, but THIS I find unacceptable. If you are going to fly a flag, observe the protocols regarding the respect due to the flag.

Thrawn · 06-16-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by hounddawg

The thing that burns me up, however, is the total lack of respect towards this symbol by supposedly patriotic Americans. I have seen the raggedest, nastiest American flags flying (at night without illumination on it, too) at private residences. I'm sorry, but THIS I find unacceptable to fly a flag, observe the protocols regarding the respect due to the flag.

Yeah, it burns my biscuits too.

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06-15-2005, 07:33 PM	#1
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,463 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	Flag Desecration Should there be a law against flag desecration with penalties of fines and/or imprisonment?

06-15-2005, 07:42 PM	#2
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 9,104	of course not. despicable an act as flag desecration is, its protected by 1st Amendment. usually fines and laws against it can only be enforced when said act is committed on public property, when said act is done in a way to cause possible danger to others e.g. flag burning. :lucky: __________________ if it wasn't for the luck of the Irish, i'd have none at t'all. :lucky:

06-16-2005, 07:25 AM	#11
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 2,209	There was a pic several years ago that I loved. I think it was an Iraqi during a demonstration that poured gas on an American flag and set it on fire and himself too. He was covered in flames. Poetic justice. :right: __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

06-16-2005, 09:59 AM	#15
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,288	Make it punishable. The first amendment protects the right to free 'speech'....something that said, written, articled, etc....not some action. There are some things in life, by their nature or definition, demands respect and the flag is one of those things. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

06-15-2005, 07:44 PM	#3
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,463 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	I bring this up as today is Flag Day; and thus conversation ensued today about it.

06-15-2005, 07:49 PM	#5
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,463 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	really; My bad; they were talking about it and I thought they said today.

06-15-2005, 11:40 PM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 6,239	i dont see how freedom of speech can protect a flag burner. voicing an opinion and demonstrating an opinion(flag burning) are not the same thing. at least thats the way i see it, but it is your right to disagree with me. :cheer:

06-16-2005, 04:26 AM	#8
gunssb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: socal Posts: 1,818	off wiz ze balls :right:

06-16-2005, 06:51 AM	#9
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	In a free society where it often seems nothing is sacred, many feel that one thing at least should be: the American flag. For most Americans, no symbol is more charged with emotion, and incidents of its abuse have led many to declare that freedom of expression has its limits. When Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag as part of a political protest, he was convicted for flag desecration under Texas law, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed the conviction on First Amendment grounds and the Supreme Court confirmed that physically damaging the flag constituted symbolic--and protected--speech

06-16-2005, 07:04 AM	#10
jerry Short Time Shirt Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,228 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	Too many laws now. I think propper protocall for this would be for society to turn the other cheek when the flag burner gets the crap beat out of him. BTW, Rights Smites. 50 or 60 years ago with a zillion less laws and the same civil rights, this is how it would have been done. Desicrate a flag in fron of me & I'll take my chances.

06-16-2005, 08:59 AM	#13
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,612 Images: 6	I like this one too.

06-16-2005, 10:42 AM	#16
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 12,912	Yes, it should be a punishable offense. Voicing an opinion is a totally different thing from desecrating one's national flag. If it's okay to burn the flag, then it should be okay to deck the stupid SOB that did it. Just voicing my opinion. :nod: __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

06-16-2005, 01:32 PM	#18
NorCalAshnjikov Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 690 Images: 1	Doesn't matter how offended people get, the day flag burning becomes illegal is the day we lose all our guns.

06-16-2005, 04:17 PM	#19
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535 Images: 1	I understand all y'alls fellings about flag-burning. It seems to me though that the crazy burner has or believieves that he has a legitimate reason to do it. I don't condone it, but I can try to understand it. The thing that burns me up, however, is the total lack of respect towards this symbol by supposedly patriotic Americans. I have seen the raggedest, nastiest American flags flying (at night without illumination on it, too) at private residences. I'm sorry, but THIS I find unacceptable. If you are going to fly a flag, observe the protocols regarding the respect due to the flag. __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato