Anyone carry mase or other "non-lethal" alternative to side arm?

solar · 06-17-2005, 01:37 PM

I was just reading some misc. articles online, one that suggested carrying a non-lethal alternative to a firearm. Does anyone do this? It sounds like a good practice to get into - any thoughts?

Maybe I could squeeze it somewhere on the belt between the cell phone, car keys, sidearm, Leatherman......

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rebel727 · 06-17-2005, 01:53 PM

Nope. if they're worth macing they're worth shooting. It's more permanent that way. Don't have to worry about looking over your shoulder cuz some nut you maced is looking for revenge.

Stopper · 06-17-2005, 02:28 PM

extendable baton and pepper spray. Has come in handy more than once. Just whipping that thing out has made 3 people run like the wind!!!!

dhermesc · 06-17-2005, 02:39 PM

I don't but I give a new key ring can of pepper spray to my 70 year old mother every Christmas - she carries it religiously.

Shaun · 06-17-2005, 02:50 PM

28% of the population is not affected by mace and second of all why add another issue in for the courts to attack you -- last but not least most of the drug users that would be involved in a crime are not affected.

jamesfaync · 06-17-2005, 03:02 PM

shawn dont know about tn cc rules but nc cc rules state that you must attempt to use the least lethal method possible. voice , hands, chemical, blunt object then if you must leathal force.

Shaun · 06-17-2005, 03:30 PM

check out the TN laws -- we are not required to carry anything other than our permit and gun -- obvioulsy you try to diffuse but if it comes to an armed encounter voice is not going to stop them and hands and blunt opbjects are way too close you'll end up dead first ask any cop

Big Dog · 06-17-2005, 04:41 PM

I carried a key-ring unit once. Really needed it once. It failed - lost it's propellent force.
Nowadays, I find a gun or knife much more reliable. Haven't had to use either yet. But it won't puke stinky yellow crap on my hand either.

06-17-2005, 05:26 PM

I thought about buying a taser but didn't..after all it wouldn't be all that effective on dogs...I'm more concerned about dogs than two legged predators...and two legged predators tend to be more dangerous than dogs..after all two legged predators may be armed with more than 6 rounds of snub .38

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-18-2005, 08:39 AM

I always have a large folder, if not sporting my Berreta tom Cat!

06-18-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

I always have a large folder, if not sporting my Berreta tom Cat!

not exactly "Less Than Lethal" :guitar:

PAPA G · 06-18-2005, 09:22 AM

i carry an 8X10 glossy of NRAJOE, in his full reagle, very effective. :spaceship

gunssb · 06-18-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

i carry an 8X10 glossy of NRAJOE, in his full reagle, very effective.

uggg - nasty

In our kommie state carry permits are pretty hard to get in most areas - I always carry mace (this ones supposed to be stronger than "usual" but I haven't had to try it out thankfully) and a folder. Of course, home defense is a different situation and I keep enough stuff loaded to handle a zombie mob

troylaplante · 06-18-2005, 12:19 PM

Occasionally I carry a stun gun and almost always a Buck knife.

ruger22com · 06-18-2005, 06:33 PM

whaddaya crazy? .38sp is the most "non-lethal" thing I carry. thats why god made carry permits!

I remember a friend who is a bail bounty hunter tell me a story. They went after this guy for jumping bail, who was sitting in a pick-up. they walked up and hit the guy in the belly with a high voltage tazer gun....the guy (a 450+ lbs 6'4 black individule) looked him in the eye and calmly said: "don't do that again" so he hit the guy in the face with some mace, and the guy climbed out of his pickup and promptly started beating the crap out of him and his partner...until his partner hit the guy over the head SEVERAL time with his 1911, to finally bring him down.

mace? I dont think so..... :smash:

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Look around you as most anything can be used as a weapon.

Pens and pencils are great for stabbing while they are prone to breaking when abstructed by bone; just remember to aim for soft tissue.

Keys placed between the knuckles;

A beltwith a large buckle;

credit cards are good for slicing;

CD's break in half and slice with them;

etc....

phrogg · 06-18-2005, 11:24 PM

...heh... non-lethal. When I finally get a CCW, I'm going to get one for a .22 pistol with a laser as well as something bigger. That's about as non-lethal as I'll ever need. If the laser or the pistol doesn't scare the crap out of someone, a double-tap to the chest then a kick to the face could easily take them down. If I really don't want to kill the person, I'd just need to shoot one of their legs then shoot out their kneecaps - I could just say "Sorry, I missed the chest so I kept shooting". They wouldn't be running anywhere, that's for sure.

Now, in a faceoff against an armed attacker, forget a .22 as anything but secondary. I think I'm gonna go pick myself up a Glock 29 when the time comes - 10MM Auto, 10+1 mag cap, tiny enough so no one will see it in my waistband... A 10mm is more powerful than a .45, isn't it? Sure, ammo is expensive, but if I only put 1,000 rounds through the gun on the range and still carry it, I'd be able to kill someone just as easily if I practice the rest with my .22 pistol.

What the stupid people who want everyone to use non-lethal weapons don't realize is that if someone wants to kill you, they'll kill you. I'd choose a metal pen over a stun gun, thanks, unless I was just trying to torture someone. o_O

ruger22com · 06-19-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by phrogg

If I really don't want to kill the person, I'd just need to shoot one of their legs then shoot out their kneecaps - I could just say "Sorry, I missed the chest so I kept shooting". They wouldn't be running anywhere, that's for sure.

Man who shoots for legs usually misses and gets himself shot in the chest.

If you ever gotta pull it out, do it with full intentions of putting 3 or 4 in the main body (chest) or don't pull it out at all.....words to live by.

troylaplante · 06-20-2005, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ruger22com

If you ever gotta pull it out, do it with full intentions of putting 3 or 4 in the main body (chest) or don't pull it out at all.....words to live by.

Yup. Me thinks phrogg has been watching too many movies. Hopefully, when he becomes and adult, he will think differently.

Thrawn · 06-21-2005, 05:27 AM

I usually have a good supply of gas on tap. I chases off anything that can get away, especialy after some good pastrami sandwiches and Guiness.:right:

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06-17-2005, 01:37 PM	#1
solar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MA Posts: 157 Trader Rating: (0)	Anyone carry mase or other "non-lethal" alternative to side arm? I was just reading some misc. articles online, one that suggested carrying a non-lethal alternative to a firearm. Does anyone do this? It sounds like a good practice to get into - any thoughts? Maybe I could squeeze it somewhere on the belt between the cell phone, car keys, sidearm, Leatherman...... m

06-17-2005, 01:53 PM	#2
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,494 Trader Rating: (0)	Nope. if they're worth macing they're worth shooting. It's more permanent that way. Don't have to worry about looking over your shoulder cuz some nut you maced is looking for revenge. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

06-17-2005, 02:28 PM	#3
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,209 Trader Rating: (0)	extendable baton and pepper spray. Has come in handy more than once. Just whipping that thing out has made 3 people run like the wind!!!! __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

06-17-2005, 02:39 PM	#4
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,763 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't but I give a new key ring can of pepper spray to my 70 year old mother every Christmas - she carries it religiously. __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

06-17-2005, 02:50 PM	#5
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	28% of the population is not affected by mace and second of all why add another issue in for the courts to attack you -- last but not least most of the drug users that would be involved in a crime are not affected. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-17-2005, 03:02 PM	#6
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0)	shawn dont know about tn cc rules but nc cc rules state that you must attempt to use the least lethal method possible. voice , hands, chemical, blunt object then if you must leathal force.

06-17-2005, 03:30 PM	#7
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,585 Trader Rating: (0)	check out the TN laws -- we are not required to carry anything other than our permit and gun -- obvioulsy you try to diffuse but if it comes to an armed encounter voice is not going to stop them and hands and blunt opbjects are way too close you'll end up dead first ask any cop __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-17-2005, 04:41 PM	#8
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,020 Trader Rating: (0)	I carried a key-ring unit once. Really needed it once. It failed - lost it's propellent force. Nowadays, I find a gun or knife much more reliable. Haven't had to use either yet. But it won't puke stinky yellow crap on my hand either. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

06-17-2005, 05:26 PM	#9
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I thought about buying a taser but didn't..after all it wouldn't be all that effective on dogs...I'm more concerned about dogs than two legged predators...and two legged predators tend to be more dangerous than dogs..after all two legged predators may be armed with more than 6 rounds of snub .38

06-18-2005, 08:39 AM	#10
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Trader Rating: (0)	I always have a large folder, if not sporting my Berreta tom Cat! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

06-18-2005, 09:22 AM	#12
PAPA G Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somerset, kentucky Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	i carry an 8X10 glossy of NRAJOE, in his full reagle, very effective. :spaceship

06-18-2005, 12:19 PM	#14
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223 Trader Rating: (0)	Occasionally I carry a stun gun and almost always a Buck knife.

06-18-2005, 06:33 PM	#15
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 719 Trader Rating: (0)	huh? whaddaya crazy? .38sp is the most "non-lethal" thing I carry. thats why god made carry permits! I remember a friend who is a bail bounty hunter tell me a story. They went after this guy for jumping bail, who was sitting in a pick-up. they walked up and hit the guy in the belly with a high voltage tazer gun....the guy (a 450+ lbs 6'4 black individule) looked him in the eye and calmly said: "don't do that again" so he hit the guy in the face with some mace, and the guy climbed out of his pickup and promptly started beating the crap out of him and his partner...until his partner hit the guy over the head SEVERAL time with his 1911, to finally bring him down. mace? I dont think so..... :smash: __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty! Last edited by ruger22com; 06-18-2005 at 06:38 PM.

06-18-2005, 07:16 PM	#16
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,022 Trader Rating: (0)	Look around you as most anything can be used as a weapon. Pens and pencils are great for stabbing while they are prone to breaking when abstructed by bone; just remember to aim for soft tissue. Keys placed between the knuckles; A beltwith a large buckle; credit cards are good for slicing; CD's break in half and slice with them; etc....

06-18-2005, 11:24 PM	#17
phrogg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 107 Trader Rating: (0)	...heh... non-lethal. When I finally get a CCW, I'm going to get one for a .22 pistol with a laser as well as something bigger. That's about as non-lethal as I'll ever need. If the laser or the pistol doesn't scare the crap out of someone, a double-tap to the chest then a kick to the face could easily take them down. If I really don't want to kill the person, I'd just need to shoot one of their legs then shoot out their kneecaps - I could just say "Sorry, I missed the chest so I kept shooting". They wouldn't be running anywhere, that's for sure. Now, in a faceoff against an armed attacker, forget a .22 as anything but secondary. I think I'm gonna go pick myself up a Glock 29 when the time comes - 10MM Auto, 10+1 mag cap, tiny enough so no one will see it in my waistband... A 10mm is more powerful than a .45, isn't it? Sure, ammo is expensive, but if I only put 1,000 rounds through the gun on the range and still carry it, I'd be able to kill someone just as easily if I practice the rest with my .22 pistol. What the stupid people who want everyone to use non-lethal weapons don't realize is that if someone wants to kill you, they'll kill you. I'd choose a metal pen over a stun gun, thanks, unless I was just trying to torture someone. o_O Last edited by phrogg; 06-19-2005 at 12:32 AM.

06-21-2005, 05:27 AM	#20
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Trader Rating: (0)	I usually have a good supply of gas on tap. I chases off anything that can get away, especialy after some good pastrami sandwiches and Guiness.:right: