Sen.Durbin crosses the line...

NRAJOE · 06-20-2005, 05:08 PM

As I'm sure you've heard ...

Last Tuesday, a Senate colleague -- Richard Durbin of Illinois -- compared our soldiers' handling of detainees at the naval detention center at Guantanamo to the heinous actions taken years ago by "Nazis, Soviets in their Gulags or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings."

That's what the second highest ranking Democratic senator had to say about our soldiers ... U.S. soldiers.

An estimated 12 million died as slave laborers, in the death camps, or in field executions at the hands of the Nazis. Twenty million or more perished in Soviet gulags or at the hands of Stalin, and over 1.5 million people were murdered in Cambodia's killing fields from 1975 to 1979.

How many people have been killed at Guantanamo Bay?

Zero.

That's right ... zero.

And yet ... how many lives have been saved by the men and women of our military at Guantanamo?

How many terrorist attacks have been prevented or deterred by the information gleaned there?

Make no mistake ...

In captivity at Guantanamo are enemy combatants. They are in jail cells -- where they belong ... and NOT on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan ... or on the streets of Nashville or Boston or Miami or New York.

Shameful does not begin to describe this heinous slander against our country and the brave men and women risking their lives every day to defend it.

At best, this was a grievous misstatement. At worst, a damaging display of demagoguery.

Senator Durbin has had ample opportunity to apologize without qualification, but has refused.

A full and official apology is in order, as well as a full and official retraction of his comments from the Congressional Record.

Bill Frist

VOLPAC
Post Office Box 158552
Nashville, TN 37215
Office: (615) 386-0045

PAPA G · 06-20-2005, 07:06 PM

notice the lack of uproar from the masses, the media, no editorials against it. no angry mobs. oh well more of the S.O.S..

S.O.S. is the intellectual property of RAVE, and used with in accordance to those requirements.

Thrawn · 06-20-2005, 07:10 PM

three hots and a cot does'nt sound very cruel to me.
I doubt he'll ever apologize, idiots like him refuse to admit when they are wrong.

hounddawg · 06-21-2005, 04:10 PM

The Senator is right. The US is being very cruel to them. We should immediately give each detainee a TV, a sauna, jacuzzi, host educational programs for them like Terror 101, and just in general be real nice. After all, they probably didn't mean it. Right?

Thrawn · 06-21-2005, 08:30 PM

I think they all need Rave's necktires.

Full MeTal Jack · 06-21-2005, 09:54 PM

Keep it up Senator Sick Vermon er, ah, Dick Turbin, it's about time the democrats where honest about what they think. More Dick! (Richard, you perverts), how bout it Killory Clonton, chime in with the "hate America First crown"!

the main stream media is fast becoming Talk Radio.

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-21-2005, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAPA G

notice the lack of uproar from the masses, the media, no editorials against it. no angry mobs. oh well more of the S.O.S..

S.O.S. is the intellectual property of RAVE, and used with in accordance to those requirements.

Not the first self-serving politician aaaahole to publically compare
something the US is doing now to NAZI's (or specifically Hitler).
There's been a bunch of them recently, both repulicans and democrats.
John Stewart (The Daily Show, Comedy Central) made quite a good joke out of it the other day.

NRAJOE · 06-21-2005, 10:23 PM

SOS...

Big Dog · 06-22-2005, 05:22 AM

Howsabout we send the poor misunderstood Tangos to Neverland for the duration? I'm sure they'd love the train rides and amusement park, and the animals. Right about now, the Guvmint could probably get from MJ pretty cheap. Use those Undocumented Immigrants to run the place.

Then we can send these danged UberLib politicos to Gitmo for a refresher course in Patriotic Americanism. Those who fail the course are sent upriver to the Cuban Ministry of Prisons. :right:

jerry · 06-22-2005, 05:31 AM

What a Moron.

:spaceship

WASHINGTON - Under fire from Republicans and some fellow Democrats, Sen. Dick Durbin apologized Tuesday for comparing American interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to Nazis and other historically infamous figures.

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"Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line," the Illinois Democrat said. "To them I extend my heartfelt apologies."

His voice quaking and tears welling in his eyes, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate also apologized to any soldiers who felt insulted by his remarks.

"They're the best. I never, ever intended any disrespect for them," he said.

The apology came a week after Durbin, the Senate minority whip, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the Naval base in a U.S.-controlled portion of Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures.

"If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings," the senator said June 14.

The comment created a buzz on the Internet and among conservative talk radio hosts, but Durbin initially refused to apologize.

"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," he said the day after his initial comments.

By last Friday, Durbin was trying to clarify his comments, yet the White House and top Republicans including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist refused to relent. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview scheduled for broadcast Wednesday on Fox News radio's "The Tony Snow Show," tried to equate the comment with actress Jane Fonda calling U.S. soldiers war criminals during a visit to North Vietnam in 1972.

On Tuesday, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley — a fellow Democrat — added his voice to the chorus of criticism, saying, "I think it's a disgrace to say that any man or woman in the military would act like that."

Durbin said in his apology: "I made reference to Nazis, to Soviets, and other repressive regimes. Mr. President, I've come to understand that's a very poor choice of words."

dhermesc · 06-22-2005, 07:36 AM

I did notice that none of the Farm Box Office Channels (NBC, ABC, CBS) carried a word of his original speech, but broadcast his "apology".

PAPA G · 06-22-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry

What a Moron.

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"This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," he said the day after his initial comments.

"

what an as*hole. Geneva Convention applies to recognized Armed Forces, guriella types, rebels and terrorist have no rules covering their treatment. its up to their captor's on how well they are treated.

gunssb · 06-22-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

what an as*hole. Geneva Convention applies to recognized Armed Forces, guriella types, rebels and terrorist have no rules covering their treatment. its up to their captor's on how well they are treated.

wonder what Geneva Convention says about beheading innocent civilians, flying planes into civilian buildings, so on

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-22-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAPA G

what an as*hole. Geneva Convention applies to recognized Armed Forces, guriella types, rebels and terrorist have no rules covering their treatment. its up to their captor's on how well they are treated.

Isn't that what all those taliban and sadam's guard guys are, recognized armed forces?

Lord Shrike · 06-22-2005, 02:02 PM

Sadams guards yes. Taliban maybey although I do not believe that regime was ever recognized nor a signitary to the Conventions. Al Qada on the other hand is not recognized in any fashion hence the Geneva Conventions do not apply to them period.

Big Dog · 06-22-2005, 05:07 PM

If we truly followed the proper conventions of modern warfare, these 'Insurgents' would be summarily shot. They are enemy combatants operating in a warzone in civilian dress, and committing acts of terror against non-combatants.

Ideally, Gitmo shouldn't have to exist as a prison. Just need a ditch, a dozer and an MG team in Jihadistan. Military justice is harsh, brutal and very final.
Guaranteed no repeat offenders . . . :cheer:

Lord Shrike · 06-22-2005, 05:12 PM

Good Point

Troy · 06-22-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Shrike

Al Qada on the other hand is not recognized in any fashion hence the Geneva Conventions do not apply to them period.

Those POS, freaks of nature shouldn't be recognized as being human either. if those terrorist animals have it so bad, shoot the !!!!!!!s and put them out of their misery.

Troy · 06-22-2005, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hounddawg

The Senator is right. The US is being very cruel to them. We should immediately give each detainee a TV, a sauna, jacuzzi, host educational programs for them like Terror 101, and just in general be real nice. After all, they probably didn't mean it. Right?

and toss that tv into the jacuzzi while they are enjoying it right?

06-20-2005, 05:08 PM	#1
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,871 Blog Entries: 1	Sen.Durbin crosses the line... As I'm sure you've heard ... Last Tuesday, a Senate colleague -- Richard Durbin of Illinois -- compared our soldiers' handling of detainees at the naval detention center at Guantanamo to the heinous actions taken years ago by "Nazis, Soviets in their Gulags or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others -- that had no concern for human beings." That's what the second highest ranking Democratic senator had to say about our soldiers ... U.S. soldiers. An estimated 12 million died as slave laborers, in the death camps, or in field executions at the hands of the Nazis. Twenty million or more perished in Soviet gulags or at the hands of Stalin, and over 1.5 million people were murdered in Cambodia's killing fields from 1975 to 1979. How many people have been killed at Guantanamo Bay? Zero. That's right ... zero. And yet ... how many lives have been saved by the men and women of our military at Guantanamo? How many terrorist attacks have been prevented or deterred by the information gleaned there? Make no mistake ... In captivity at Guantanamo are enemy combatants. They are in jail cells -- where they belong ... and NOT on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan ... or on the streets of Nashville or Boston or Miami or New York. Shameful does not begin to describe this heinous slander against our country and the brave men and women risking their lives every day to defend it. At best, this was a grievous misstatement. At worst, a damaging display of demagoguery. Senator Durbin has had ample opportunity to apologize without qualification, but has refused. A full and official apology is in order, as well as a full and official retraction of his comments from the Congressional Record. Bill Frist VOLPAC Post Office Box 158552 Nashville, TN 37215 Office: (615) 386-0045 __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

06-20-2005, 07:06 PM	#2
PAPA G Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Somerset, Guntucky Posts: 9,580	notice the lack of uproar from the masses, the media, no editorials against it. no angry mobs. oh well more of the S.O.S.. S.O.S. is the intellectual property of RAVE, and used with in accordance to those requirements. __________________ MOE! LARRY! THE CHEESE!

06-21-2005, 04:10 PM	#4
hounddawg Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South of Nasty-vile, Tennessee Posts: 535	The Senator is right. The US is being very cruel to them. We should immediately give each detainee a TV, a sauna, jacuzzi, host educational programs for them like Terror 101, and just in general be real nice. After all, they probably didn't mean it. Right? __________________ http://images.animationfactory.com/a...ing_md_clr.gif If the people be of sound mind, laws are unneccesary. If the people be not of sound mind, laws are useless. --Plato

06-21-2005, 09:54 PM	#6
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,936	Keep it up Senator Sick Vermon er, ah, Dick Turbin, it's about time the democrats where honest about what they think. More Dick! (Richard, you perverts), how bout it Killory Clonton, chime in with the "hate America First crown"! the main stream media is fast becoming Talk Radio. __________________ Guns and cameras don't mix

06-21-2005, 10:23 PM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,871 Blog Entries: 1	SOS... __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

06-20-2005, 07:10 PM	#3
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	three hots and a cot does'nt sound very cruel to me. I doubt he'll ever apologize, idiots like him refuse to admit when they are wrong.

06-21-2005, 08:30 PM	#5
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,613	I think they all need Rave's necktires.

06-22-2005, 05:22 AM	#9
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 14,052	Howsabout we send the poor misunderstood Tangos to Neverland for the duration? I'm sure they'd love the train rides and amusement park, and the animals. Right about now, the Guvmint could probably get from MJ pretty cheap. Use those Undocumented Immigrants to run the place. Then we can send these danged UberLib politicos to Gitmo for a refresher course in Patriotic Americanism. Those who fail the course are sent upriver to the Cuban Ministry of Prisons. :right: __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

06-22-2005, 05:31 AM	#10
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,758 Blog Entries: 1	Doing the Dick dance? What a Moron. :spaceship WASHINGTON - Under fire from Republicans and some fellow Democrats, Sen. Dick Durbin apologized Tuesday for comparing American interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to Nazis and other historically infamous figures. ADVERTISEMENT "Some may believe that my remarks crossed the line," the Illinois Democrat said. "To them I extend my heartfelt apologies." His voice quaking and tears welling in his eyes, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate also apologized to any soldiers who felt insulted by his remarks. "They're the best. I never, ever intended any disrespect for them," he said. The apology came a week after Durbin, the Senate minority whip, quoted from an FBI agent's report describing detainees at the Naval base in a U.S.-controlled portion of Cuba as being chained to the floor without food or water in extreme temperatures. "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings," the senator said June 14. The comment created a buzz on the Internet and among conservative talk radio hosts, but Durbin initially refused to apologize. "This administration should apologize to the American people for abandoning the Geneva Conventions and authorizing torture techniques that put our troops at risk and make Americans less secure," he said the day after his initial comments. By last Friday, Durbin was trying to clarify his comments, yet the White House and top Republicans including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist refused to relent. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview scheduled for broadcast Wednesday on Fox News radio's "The Tony Snow Show," tried to equate the comment with actress Jane Fonda calling U.S. soldiers war criminals during a visit to North Vietnam in 1972. On Tuesday, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley — a fellow Democrat — added his voice to the chorus of criticism, saying, "I think it's a disgrace to say that any man or woman in the military would act like that." Durbin said in his apology: "I made reference to Nazis, to Soviets, and other repressive regimes. Mr. President, I've come to understand that's a very poor choice of words."

06-22-2005, 07:36 AM	#11
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 2,169	I did notice that none of the Farm Box Office Channels (NBC, ABC, CBS) carried a word of his original speech, but broadcast his "apology". __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

06-22-2005, 02:02 PM	#15
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,105	Sadams guards yes. Taliban maybey although I do not believe that regime was ever recognized nor a signitary to the Conventions. Al Qada on the other hand is not recognized in any fashion hence the Geneva Conventions do not apply to them period. __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve

06-22-2005, 05:07 PM	#16
Big Dog Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 14,052	If we truly followed the proper conventions of modern warfare, these 'Insurgents' would be summarily shot. They are enemy combatants operating in a warzone in civilian dress, and committing acts of terror against non-combatants. Ideally, Gitmo shouldn't have to exist as a prison. Just need a ditch, a dozer and an MG team in Jihadistan. Military justice is harsh, brutal and very final. Guaranteed no repeat offenders . . . :cheer: __________________ "A bold spirit embiggens the smallest man!" Jebediah Springfield

06-22-2005, 05:12 PM	#17
Lord Shrike Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MOOOOOOOOOOO land also known as Wisconsin Posts: 1,105	Good Point __________________ Taint nuthin a 12 gauge wont solve