The end of liberty as we know it... - Page 2

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-25-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PAPA G

in the first place Liberty and Freedom existed for a couple years, then the politicans once they figured out the loophole offered them. began the gradual erosion of individual rights and freedoms. heaven help them if the people decided to regain what was lost back then.

Do I understand you to be saying you don't like the idea of our rights being slowly taken away?

ruger22com · 06-25-2005, 10:14 AM

I'm just glad its not my house they are stealing (yet)...as I would be found sitting on my front porch with my 7mm mag when the bulldozers pulled up.....and they would have take me away in a box.

jamesfaync · 06-25-2005, 11:33 PM

another thing going on like that is in north carolina the big cities are trying to annex rural areas without there consent. dont affect me personally since i am just renting but it still burns me up that our elected governments thank they can do what they want when they want.

NorCalAshnjikov · 06-26-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesfaync

another thing going on like that is in north carolina the big cities are trying to annex rural areas without there consent. dont affect me personally since i am just renting but it still burns me up that our elected governments thank they can do what they want when they want.

Anything for a few more tax dollars

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-26-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesfaync

another thing going on like that is in north carolina the big cities are trying to annex rural areas without there consent. dont affect me personally since i am just renting but it still burns me up that our elected governments thank they can do what they want when they want.

I remember this crap. the city wanted to annex 28 square miles for tax revenue. There was this one neighborhood that was sorta wealthy (well for Fayetteville anyway) so they got together hired a lawyer and fought the annexation saying they didn't meet the 100 people per mile square requirement (something like that) so the city dropped them and them only.

The whole underlying theme was money. But in the city's defense Urbal sprawl has gone unchecked all to do with poor planning which is also the government's fault.

James what else has happened with this case since I left.

Rave · 06-26-2005, 01:00 PM

Gouge,pillage,steal,buttcovering,gummint running unchecked,gets better every day !

jamesfaync · 06-26-2005, 05:46 PM

i didnt know that part spo all i know is that it really had pissed me off. and dont forget cary was doing the same exact thing

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-26-2005, 06:18 PM

I understand the need to annex as the outskirts develop so should the city move but the problem I have with Fayetteville (as I am sure happens everywhere else) they annex you and then send you as bill for 5-7 thousand dollars to pay for the annexation.

That should be considered a cost of doing business. Your regular tsaxes should include that.

jamesfaync · 06-26-2005, 06:23 PM

i gotta disagree with you spo. if the people on the outskirts request to be apart of the city thats one thing. however to force people is a totally differnt thing. imagine your property tax doubling due to a forced annexation.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-26-2005, 06:31 PM

Yeah I know James; its a hard pill to swallow.

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-27-2005, 08:22 AM

I don't think we need judges like the ones we have now. did you notice how fast this issue disappeared from the media?

Sniper[MI] · 06-27-2005, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

:right: It does my soul good to see some of you guys see what's going on. While the right of emminant domain has been with us a while, this goes even farther. This is why we need conservative judges...ones who understand what freedom is. What the word "rights" means!

Now there ya go! Great Point, we need conservative judges all right, but we also need every conservative in America to vote every time, no excuses, go vote.....the conservatives would win every election, hands down.

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-28-2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper[MI]

Now there ya go! Great Point, we need conservative judges all right, but we also need every conservative in America to vote every time, no excuses, go vote.....the conservatives would win every election, hands down.

As you may recall, I'm rabidly conservative. But, what passes for conservative, as of late, is not what I had in mind. I think there are many who are just as unhappy with the way things have turned out as I am. What's worse is the clear, and certain, knowlage that things are gona get worse, much worse, as this madman continues his holy war against our bill of rights. Many don't agree with me. Fine, no problem. But, there are plenty who do. We won by narrow margins both times. Now that little hitler has urinated on his two main support groups (religious right and gun owners), both of which, I'll remind you, are huge supporters of cival liberties, and don't take kindly to lies and disrespect, no matter what the reason. Who are we going to get to stand up in thier place? Oh yeah, I forgot, the criminals from south-O-the border! I sure hope those who plan to continue the rape of the bill of right are not stupid enough to think that those criminals will vote for them....remember, they are criminals, they can't vote! that is unless the repubs give them all voter cards, as it looks like they want to do. but, even then, those criminals will probably vote for dems, that's what they do in kalifornica! I think that many (repubs) will do as I guess i'll do next election. No, not vote for a democrapper. but, niether can I support a government that seeks to enslave it's citizens as this current one has. To say I'm disappointed with bush would be the under statment of a life time.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-28-2005, 04:23 PM

Have you heard of the new gun legislation coming out of the House passed by REPUBLICANS?

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-29-2005, 10:47 AM

Yes, I am really getting annoyed! I wish there was something we could do. But, what? I think the repubs just don't care about us. Maybe they think they can do without our votes next time.

Oxford · 06-29-2005, 03:55 PM

This latest supreme court ruling is definitely a much bigger step backward for those of us who believe in individual rights of real estate ownership. As has been pointed out so well by others on this thread, eminent domain has been around for many years. But...it had been used primarily for taking land for roads, public buildings and things of that sort. Enough citizens supported that type of use that it was was tolerated as an acceptable practice by probably a majority of voting individuals. But...definitely there were situations when the eminent domain was rammed down our throats even then.

So when this new ruling was declared by a 5-4 vote, it declared that it was legal for all government levels to declare an area blighted, etc., and proceed to condemn it and sell it for whatever assesors declared was a fair price, regardless if the owner was willing to sell, including to raise tax revenue.

Therefore, all private real estate is vunerable to the whims of government officials who want to take any piece of land by going through the eminent domain process and sell it to another private owner who they believe will bring in more tax revenue for the government.

Yes, this is one big step backward for individual rights! As I see it, our best hope is for citizens to rebel and let politicians know at all level of government that they will not stand for this kind of property theft, in the name of more tax revenue to operate the government. We need to make politicians declare their stand on this issue and if it's not in our interests they should be voted out of office. And...only new candidates should be elected who declare their intentions to not steal private citizens property in the name of new tax revenue which they claim is needed to build even bigger cities and city services, etc. It's a vicious circle and never ending situation.

So...it's up to us individuals to use our vote to get this eminent domain problem straightened out. We can only hope that president Bush will nominate a conservitive if/when he gets a chance to replace ultra liberal Justice Renquist.

Gunnie Ed · 06-29-2005, 04:14 PM

MUAHAHAHAHA!

Oxford · 06-29-2005, 05:22 PM

Gunnie Ed...what's to laugh about in this situation? This supreme court ruling makes me more than a little angry. :nod:

Sorry...my sense of humor is at a low level this afternoon. I've been working outside all day and this subject sort of caused me to have a near "brownout."

Thrawn · 06-29-2005, 07:20 PM

Click on the laugh Oxford, it's some sweet irony. I hope they burn this guy's house down and urinate on the ashes.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-29-2005, 07:30 PM

heardtoday thatsome senator is proposing legislation to stop what the Supreme court failed to stop.

06-25-2005, 10:14 AM	#22
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 723	I'm just glad its not my house they are stealing (yet)...as I would be found sitting on my front porch with my 7mm mag when the bulldozers pulled up.....and they would have take me away in a box. __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty!

06-26-2005, 01:00 PM	#26
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,877	Gouge,pillage,steal,buttcovering,gummint running unchecked,gets better every day ! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

06-26-2005, 06:18 PM	#28
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	I understand the need to annex as the outskirts develop so should the city move but the problem I have with Fayetteville (as I am sure happens everywhere else) they annex you and then send you as bill for 5-7 thousand dollars to pay for the annexation. That should be considered a cost of doing business. Your regular tsaxes should include that. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

06-26-2005, 06:31 PM	#30
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Yeah I know James; its a hard pill to swallow. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

06-27-2005, 08:22 AM	#31
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I don't think we need judges like the ones we have now. did you notice how fast this issue disappeared from the media? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

06-25-2005, 11:33 PM	#23
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167	another thing going on like that is in north carolina the big cities are trying to annex rural areas without there consent. dont affect me personally since i am just renting but it still burns me up that our elected governments thank they can do what they want when they want.

06-26-2005, 05:46 PM	#27
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167	i didnt know that part spo all i know is that it really had pissed me off. and dont forget cary was doing the same exact thing

06-26-2005, 06:23 PM	#29
jamesfaync Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: fayetteville nc Posts: 167	i gotta disagree with you spo. if the people on the outskirts request to be apart of the city thats one thing. however to force people is a totally differnt thing. imagine your property tax doubling due to a forced annexation.

06-28-2005, 04:23 PM	#34
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Have you heard of the new gun legislation coming out of the House passed by REPUBLICANS? __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

06-29-2005, 10:47 AM	#35
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Yes, I am really getting annoyed! I wish there was something we could do. But, what? I think the repubs just don't care about us. Maybe they think they can do without our votes next time. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

06-29-2005, 03:55 PM	#36
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	This latest supreme court ruling is definitely a much bigger step backward for those of us who believe in individual rights of real estate ownership. As has been pointed out so well by others on this thread, eminent domain has been around for many years. But...it had been used primarily for taking land for roads, public buildings and things of that sort. Enough citizens supported that type of use that it was was tolerated as an acceptable practice by probably a majority of voting individuals. But...definitely there were situations when the eminent domain was rammed down our throats even then. So when this new ruling was declared by a 5-4 vote, it declared that it was legal for all government levels to declare an area blighted, etc., and proceed to condemn it and sell it for whatever assesors declared was a fair price, regardless if the owner was willing to sell, including to raise tax revenue. Therefore, all private real estate is vunerable to the whims of government officials who want to take any piece of land by going through the eminent domain process and sell it to another private owner who they believe will bring in more tax revenue for the government. Yes, this is one big step backward for individual rights! As I see it, our best hope is for citizens to rebel and let politicians know at all level of government that they will not stand for this kind of property theft, in the name of more tax revenue to operate the government. We need to make politicians declare their stand on this issue and if it's not in our interests they should be voted out of office. And...only new candidates should be elected who declare their intentions to not steal private citizens property in the name of new tax revenue which they claim is needed to build even bigger cities and city services, etc. It's a vicious circle and never ending situation. So...it's up to us individuals to use our vote to get this eminent domain problem straightened out. We can only hope that president Bush will nominate a conservitive if/when he gets a chance to replace ultra liberal Justice Renquist. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

06-29-2005, 04:14 PM	#37
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 808	MUAHAHAHAHA! __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

06-29-2005, 05:22 PM	#38
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,023 Blog Entries: 4	Gunnie Ed...what's to laugh about in this situation? This supreme court ruling makes me more than a little angry. :nod: Sorry...my sense of humor is at a low level this afternoon. I've been working outside all day and this subject sort of caused me to have a near "brownout." __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

06-29-2005, 07:20 PM	#39
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	Click on the laugh Oxford, it's some sweet irony. I hope they burn this guy's house down and urinate on the ashes.

06-29-2005, 07:30 PM	#40
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,097 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	heardtoday thatsome senator is proposing legislation to stop what the Supreme court failed to stop. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........