Old 07-04-2005, 11:15 AM   #1
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People's Republic of Kali-for-nee-ah Weighs 2 Bills Requiring Bullet Marking

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State Weighs 2 Bills Requiring Bullet Marking
# In novel proposals, one measure would mandate coding ammunition, while the other would demand a stamping device in guns.

By Jordan Rau, Times Staff Writer

SACRAMENTO — With a zealot's enthusiasm, Randy Rossi has been firing bullets into lots of things lately. Car doors, Sheetrock, wood walls, gelatin with the consistency of human bodies.

On the base of each mashed slug is a series of tiny, mostly legible numbers that have been inscribed by a laser. To Rossi, head of Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer's firearm division, these markings represent a solution for one of law enforcement's most trying problems: the anonymity of ammunition.

"This is nothing fancy, just simple technology," he said on a recent day, after proudly showing that the identification numbers on several slugs remained readable after the bullets were fired into a bulletproof vest.

With 45% of the state's homicides unsolved in 2003, the most recent data available, the California Legislature is moving ahead with two potentially landmark measures that would require that identifying marks be embedded on projectiles from guns.

One proposal would have all bullets sold in the state marked during manufacture with codes. The other would mandate that guns be equipped with stamping mechanisms that would hammer telling marks onto every cartridge fired. That could allow investigators to link the cartridge to the gun's purchaser even if they could not find the firearm.

The approaches depart from law enforcement tactics elsewhere in the country, which have focused on creating computer registries of fired bullets. Those allow for investigators to match projectiles from different crimes, linking ones committed with the same weapon.

The issue of marking ammunition has become the most contested law enforcement topic in Sacramento this year. One of the bills has split California's law enforcement community and infuriated the nation's ammunition manufacturers, weapons sellers and firearms enthusiasts, including the National Rifle Assn. Several police groups in California are also opposed.

The hyperbolic debate has even ricocheted into Congress. In April, Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-El Cajon), chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services, warned Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that requiring serial numbers on ammunition would increase the cost of bullets so much that the military would scale back target practice. Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, also a Republican, is also against the proposal, which he said would hurt manufacturers in his state.

Nationwide, there were 347,705 crimes committed with firearms in 2003. In California, those included 44,466 robberies and aggravated assaults, and 1,733 murders.

Although handgun serialization has been a required practice for decades, forensic advances in tracking the sale of ammunition — which is far more likely to be left at a crime scene — have been limited.

Since 1994, law enforcement agencies have been experimenting with ballistics imaging technology that makes computer pictures of bullets recovered from crime scenes. Those images are compared in hopes of linking crimes in which the same weapon was used.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has established a database with 862,000 images that authorities say have led to 11,300 matches. Maryland and New York have established their own programs but have been criticized for failing to provide enough substantial leads. The first time Maryland's database contributed to a murder conviction was in April, four years after its creation.

California lawmakers debated the same strategy in 2000 but decided instead to study it. A 2003 report from Lockyer's office provided greater caution after concluding that constructing such a large database would be "impractical" and finding that it was often difficult to match images of bullets fired from the same gun.

The ammunition bill, SB 357 — numbered to correspond with a popular caliber — was introduced by Sen. Joe Dunn (D-Santa Ana) on Lockyer's behalf. It has passed the Senate and an initial Assembly panel. It is the one that has drawn the most intense opposition.

For any box of ammunition sold in California, the bill would require manufacturers to engrave each bullet with the same serial number, which would also be affixed to the box. Retailers would record who purchased each box and would provide that information to the state Department of Justice.

Ammunition Coding Systems, a Seattle company that provided demonstration bullets to California police, uses a laser to etch the number, but the bill does not specify what technology manufacturers would have to use.

Initial testing indicates that the serial numbers almost always survive impact. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department was able to identify serial numbers on 21 of 22 bullets it tested and recovered. The attorney general's office identified 180 serial numbers on 181 bullets.

The other, less cleverly numbered, bill, AB 352 by Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood), has passed the Assembly and one Senate panel. The bill, sponsored by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, would require that semiautomatic pistols be equipped with technology that could imprint microscopic identifying information on each cartridge case fired from the gun.

NanoMark Technologies of Londonderry, N.H., has patented one technology that uses the firing pin to emboss the identification mark onto the chamber while it is in the breech of the gun. Although Ammunition Coding Systems' marks can be read with the aid of a regular magnifying glass, NanoMark's require more powerful imaging equipment used by forensic experts.

It remains unclear what Schwarzenegger will do if either measure makes it to his desk. Last year the governor proved himself unpredictable on gun legislation by banning .50-caliber BMG rifles — powerful hunting weapons that can penetrate thick surfaces from great distances — but rejecting a measure requiring ammunition vendors to keep records of all purchasers
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Old 07-04-2005, 11:27 AM   #2
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This will be exponetially costly to both the state and citizen. This will only lead to black market bullets and an increase in people who reload/cast their own bullets.
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Old 07-04-2005, 06:47 PM   #3
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God, I love living in California! This is going to exponentially increase the cost of any ammo that I buy, if it passes. What would a bulk box of .22LR cost, if every single bullet had to be laser etched? Back door gun banning, if I've ever seen it. And it's so hard to tell what Arnold is going to do, being in the Democrat's back pocket and all.
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Old 07-04-2005, 11:11 PM   #4
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Thank GOD in Calf all people who plan to use a firearm to commit crimes would be willing to ONLY use ammunition purchased with their true identafacation....
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Old 07-04-2005, 11:53 PM   #5
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If only 45% of the homicides were solved in 2003 then I think it just maybe...just maybe, they need a better detective or police department? Seems like an easy way out. Blame the gun owners.
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Old 07-05-2005, 12:01 AM   #6
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i hope the ammunition manufacturers follow Barrets lead. if this fruitless law actually passes, all ammunition manufacturers and wholesalers should refuse to sell ammo to any state or government agency in the state of california.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:29 AM   #7
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ewouldn't they run out of numbers?? a bullet is only so big and there is so many of them. just recently they had a phone number problem around hear . they were running out of numbers just think about numbering bullets!!!! millions a week are fired off in the united states (probably). thats alot of numbers . and them numbers are gonna get pretty long. i can just see putting (222.333.997.999.986.444.444.234) and so on / and so on/ on a .22 . lol
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:59 AM   #8
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Thank GOD in Calf all people who plan to use a firearm to commit crimes would be willing to ONLY use ammunition purchased with their true identafacation....
What's to prevent the slimeball from buying ammo for his unliscenced/blackmarket gun in Oregon or Nevada? Or the net, for that matter? What happens when Badguy breaks into .22guy's house and lifts all his numbered ammo, or maybe just a box of .22's from his stash of 4 1/2 bricks, and then pops one of his fellow nuts? .22 Your'e goin' down!
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:26 AM   #9
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also, it's blindingly easy to just grind the number odd the lead, or to simply make your own.

next they'll try to outlaw reloading supplies.
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:58 AM   #10
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i hope the ammunition manufacturers follow Barrets lead. if this fruitless law actually passes, all ammunition manufacturers and wholesalers should refuse to sell ammo to any state or government agency in the state of california.
if it passes TMSammunition.com will no longer sell our custom rounds in that state.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:34 AM   #11
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A few points to consider.
1) The military would no doubt get a pass on the marking scheme. What that would do, is negate the practice of civilian sales of milsurp ammo. We milsurp owners would lose our cheap ammo sources.

2) They'll make it illegal to 'cast your own', making unmarked ammo. Another 'crime' that can't be easily prevented.

3) What about all those 'old fashioned' guns that don't mark the cases? Maybe they grandfather them, maybe they confiscate them?

4) What about 'range-finds'? We find live cartridges quite often, that folks dumped when their gun jams or misfires. I have found enough odd .223 to load a twenty round mag. We found six live 9mm's, four .308's and three 7.62X39 this weekend alone! So, you dump a shell, Bubba finds it later, loads it in his gun, kills his neighbor - you get fingered cause the number traces to you!

Bad juju, these bills!
Backdoor gunbanning, for sure!
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What's to prevent the slimeball from buying ammo for his unliscenced/blackmarket gun in Oregon or Nevada? Or the net, for that matter? What happens when Badguy breaks into .22guy's house and lifts all his numbered ammo, or maybe just a box of .22's from his stash of 4 1/2 bricks, and then pops one of his fellow nuts? .22 Your'e goin' down!
Great, thanks for that image...

It is very possible though.......
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What about imported ammo? would they also have to add the #?
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the best way to deal with these gun grabbers is to let them hang themselves. they already have the noose around their neck!
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