[pipsqueak]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Logansdad

the Government doesn't care how much of your money it spends

Oh yeah.

[pipsqueak]

Quote:       Originally Posted by BigJake

Heck if its my money they're spending I hope it goes to a .45 .

I guess you're right. If its not going to the .45's its probably going into Bush's cousin's sister in law's nefew's pocket.

:nod:

[mark8252]

45 gets my vote.
Why they would vary from the most proven handgun in combat there is... is way beyond my understanding.
Has to be politics...thats always good for getting a soldier killed.

[mswestfall]

Go with the 45

[Lonegun1894]

There were several of us over there who had an issue with the 9, and just happened to accidentally like miraculously come up with .45s. Who cares if the .45 has fewer rounds, but you can drop an enemy with one or two rounds. As opposed to having you and a friend of yours with 9s having to almost empty your pistols on just one enemy. Total 23 rounds fired, one enemy down. Next time, .45s, 3 rounds, two enemy down. Lucky for us that the place is one big gunshop and you can pick up toys pretty much at will, for a few bucks.
Paul

[NRAEric]

If .45 ACP will be the military's pistol caliber, I wonder if .45 ACP prices will come down. I think a G21 Would be a real nice sidearm. A 13 round magazine in a .45 would be a wise choice because you only lose 2 shots, but you shouldn't need them as long as you can hit your target. And the glock is there when you need it. No manual safetys to deactivate means just whip it out and fire away.

[silentknight]

Quote:       Originally Posted by NRAEric

If .45 ACP will be the military's pistol caliber, I wonder if .45 ACP prices will come down. I think a G21 Would be a real nice sidearm. A 13 round magazine in a .45 would be a wise choice because you only lose 2 shots, but you shouldn't need them as long as you can hit your target. And the glock is there when you need it. No manual safetys to deactivate means just whip it out and fire away.

I also hope this happens, my CZ 97 has been going hungry lately

[mandelbrot]

I too, think that the military should be using .45. Or better yet, 10mm auto. I think the Glock 20 would be a great military gun. I would get one myself, if I could find ammo for it.

[practical]

Quote:       Originally Posted by mandelbrot

I too, think that the military should be using .45. Or better yet, 10mm auto. I think the Glock 20 would be a great military gun. I would get one myself, if I could find ammo for it.

http://www.doubletapammo.com

These guys have the best 10mm ammo around. 135gr JHP@1600fps

[Otter]

I wonder what happened to all the 1911A1 contract pistols when U.S. went to the M9.

"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

Solicitation number : H92222-05-R-0017
Title : 10 -- Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System

http://www1.eps.gov/spg/ODA/USSOCOM.../SynopsisP.html

General Information

Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
Solicitation Number: H92222-05-R-0017
Posted Date: Aug 26, 2005
Original Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Current Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
Original Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
Current Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing

Contracting Office AddressOther Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill AFB, FL, 33621-5323

Description

The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45 (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP requirement.
The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance of the solicitation.
Two configurations of the pistol will be required.
One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration will have an external safety.
The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning Kit; and Operator's Manual.
The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an additional Five (5) years.
The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration; 649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits; Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data.
Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination.
The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of 24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each.
Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and other than the highest technically rated offeror.
Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee the condition of the product samples after testing.
All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by the agency.
The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications, Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS.
Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at john.pfender@navy.mil.

[rebel727]

Bout time they did something right. :right:

Quote:       Originally Posted by rebel727

Bout time they did something right. :right:

they'll find a way to screw it up..they always do :guitar:

[rugermarksman]

Read in "Guns and Weapons of Law Enforcement" that Smith and Wesson & the Gov't just developed a .40 cal DAO like the Glock. Looks almost like a Sigma except includes many "secret" gov't features. I like it and would buy it.

[silentknight]

The M&P?