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[ruger22com]

Originally Posted by rebel727

I always move over when possible even if it's not an emergency vehicle. It's just common courtesy. Also you never know when someone may open a door or step out in front of you.

ditto....

[troy2000]

Regardless of the law's merits, it sounds like the cop was setting a trap for the purpose of writing tickets; if he was sitting with his lights on for no good reason, one could hardly call him an 'emergency' vehicle.

I got a ticket for speeding in a 25 mph school zone a couple of weeks ago. I let off the gas as I approached and slowed to 25, but not soon enough. The cop says, "you were still doing 32 mph when you passed the sign, sir; you endangered two small children on the sidewalk." The 'small children' were junior-high age, and I was in the left lane and still slowing, so I don't think there was a whole lot of danger. I didn't argue, and I'll pay the ticket. But I'm not left with a lot of respect for the guy.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Shaun

last time I checked children and others were not out of the freeway attending to accidents and traffic enforcement.

Shaun the law states nothing about having to be at an accident. The cops in the sting were simply sitting beside the road. This law applies to every roadway regardless of what the officer or emergency personell is doing. I simply ask why if I must slow down for Johnny law then why is ok for me to go flying down a highway when kids are waiting for the bus and not be required to offer them the same courtesy, or for a person fixing a flat, or for a highway worker standing behind a barrell?

[troylaplante]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I simply ask why if I must slow down for Johnny law then why is ok for me to go flying down a highway when kids are waiting for the bus and not be required to offer them the same courtesy, or for a person fixing a flat, or for a highway worker standing behind a barrell?

When was the last time you saw children waiting for a bus on a major highway? I haven't. Children don't usually go to a bus stop on the interstate. And we already have regulation in place for highway workers...already covered that. It ain't just for law enforcement. Covered that too.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by troylaplante

When was the last time you saw children waiting for a bus on a major highway? I haven't. Children don't usually go to a bus stop on the interstate. And we already have regulation in place for highway workers...already covered that. It ain't just for law enforcement. Covered that too.

Troy there is no law requiring you to slow down, or move over for transportation workers. The orange 45mph WZS you see are not enforcable as they are a suggested speed. Regardless the legislature in this state has done little to ensure the safety of those working on the Highway. I know because I work directly alongside the DOT in this state. The only thing the cops can do is arrest someone for reckless driving or endangerment; the same thing that applied to them prior to this law.

I have seen kids waiting for the bus on the side of Highways and four lane roads. The law does not specify that the road is an interstate or highway, just that you must move over or slow down if you see Johnny law. You might not see that in Selma, but your bigger cities are different. Besides what difference does it make where the bus stop is? Are you implying that I should not slow down when I see kids on the side of a country road.

You fail to see that the implication of the law is meant to protect only Law Enforcement and Emergency Personell. If I see an accident and offer assistance then I am afforded no protection under this statute.

If you wish to foster an environment of awareness and safety on the highways then this is a pretty crappy way of doing it.

[troylaplante]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

Troy there is no law requiring you to slow down, or move over for transportation workers.

YES, THERE IS!!! It's called speeding in a work zone! Hello, McFly!

You might not see that in Selma, but your bigger cities are different.

I HAVE lived in the "big city"...the second biggest city in the state...for years. By the way, you are MORE LIKELY to see that in Selma than in Raleigh, considering that Selma is a small town with a lot of highway going through town. THERE IS ALREADY a law for that, in case you forgot. Gee, I already covered that, though, didn't I? Yet you have ignored that, too.

You fail to see that the implication of the law is meant to protect only Law Enforcement and Emergency Personell.

Not exactly true, but I have covered that already, too. I must like typing at a brick wall. There is nothing wrong with protecting law enforcement and emergency workers from idiot drivers who don't move over. Considering that law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, and the like are the ones who will be getting out of motor vehicles on the interstate, then it is entirely appropriate to have motorists exercise caution in their vicinity. Are you so obtuse as to not see that, or are you going to continue to whine that the law "only protects cops", and erroneously so at that? If I am pulled over on the side of the road by a state trooper, you better believe I want traffic to give plenty of way around our stopped vehicles, regarless of whether you get annoyed at that prospect or not.

I have given sound logic and strength to the position several times, which sure holds a lot more weight than "I don't like to move over because the stupid law only protects cops" argument. I have pointed you to fact, not opinion. What you do with it is your choice and problem. I am done arguing common sense over something that is simply common sense.

By the way, if you think I am a huge law enforcement advocate and lover from my posts, you really have no idea of my beliefs. And if the local community elects me councilman in November, my beliefs will be public record.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Speeding in a work zone only covers the workers if the signs are posted with the penalty listed and the signs must include the general statute that the law is derived from. The general statute only determines penalty if the legislature votes to approve the speed limit change. This law does not include every work zone, and when it does affect the zone you are in it does not require you to move over; a margin of safety I would gladly welcome as I have been put in more danger from the traveling public than most cops have. But like I said before it is my responsibility alone to know where the cars are on the road.

I have not ignored any of your facts but you fail to realize that this law is written only to buy votes and to pat the backs of legislature who have done nothing in the last four years except bankrupt this state and screw us in the process. I could see requiring some legislation if this was a problem but I have not heard of one death in NC from people not slowing down. I would like to see our legislature pass laws with some sense and respect to all members of this state, not just a select few.

My friend I believe you would make a decent councilman however I may not be here to hear your views as since our esteemed legislature has decided to start passing BS laws (not just this one - I could name 3 so far this year) has voted to KEEP the sales tax increase. I feel that the reelection of Easely is a warning that this state is in trouble. Recently I have decided that if opportunity opens up in another state for either of us we will move. After only being in High Point for 4 months I have seen our legislature !!!! on each and everyone of us, so much that the only solution is to move. We had looked at and were going to buy a house, but the taxes keep rising, the freedoms we have keep slipping, and the government keeps spending. Ya'll voted for these morons and if I have anything to say about it then it will be ya'lls problem.

Just one question; why are you opposed to the law being written to protect everyone and not just emergency personell? I mean would it have really been that bad if they had? I guess so............

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by troylaplante

There is nothing wrong with protecting law enforcement and emergency workers from idiot drivers who don't move over. Considering that law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, and the like are the ones who will be getting out of motor vehicles on the interstate, then it is entirely appropriate to have motorists exercise caution in their vicinity.

Troy I never said there was anything wrong with protecting emergency personell.

Actually did you know that when there is an accident in a Work Zone I have to go down there and investigate it and offer assistance until the police arrive. This is a directive (not sure if its a law) that DOT has with the SHP. BTW did you know that those concrete barricades put up in a work zone will not stop a tractor trailer?

[rebel727]

I don't see the point here. If there's ANYTHING in the breakdown lane be it law enforcement, emergency personnel, work crews, somebody with a flat tire. whatever. Use some common sense and MOVE OVER. If you can't move over SLOW DOWN. If it's not a law it should be.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by rebel727

I don't see the point here. If there's ANYTHING in the breakdown lane be it law enforcement, emergency personnel, work crews, somebody with a flat tire. whatever. Use some common sense and MOVE OVER. If you can't move over SLOW DOWN. If it's not a law it should be.

Exactly my point!

[troylaplante]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

but you fail to realize that this law is written only to buy votes and to pat the backs of legislature who have done nothing in the last four years except bankrupt this state and screw us in the process.

I agree that the NC legislature has made many mistakes and poor law, but I don't think that this one law is the case. Sure, some may abuse it as with any statute. However, the principle is an excellent one. Yeah, we are getting hosed on a lot of things by the NC legislature.

Just one question; why are you opposed to the law being written to protect everyone and not just emergency personell?

Didn't say I was opposed to the idea, however, I am not opposed to the way it is now, either. I never voiced any such opposition. You read that into my post. I never argued against the principle, but rather for the existing principle, which is still an excellent idea. You added to what I have written where I was purposely silent.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by troylaplante

I agree that the NC legislature has made many mistakes and poor law, but I don't think that this one law is the case. Sure, some may abuse it as with any statute. However, the principle is an excellent one. Yeah, we are getting hosed on a lot of things by the NC legislature.




Didn't say I was opposed to the idea, however, I am not opposed to the way it is now, either. I never voiced any such opposition. You read that into my post. I never argued against the principle, but rather for the existing principle, which is still an excellent idea. You added to what I have written where I was purposely silent.

Good enough for me!