I will be stopping sales to PRK residents very soon

Shaun · 08-03-2005, 09:32 AM

If this bill passes I am done selling and sending ammo to the communist state of Kalifornia.

Lawmakers Consider Stamps on Bullets

Wednesday, August 03, 2005

LOS ANGELES — Lawmakers in California now have two bills on the table that could aid in the search for gun-firing assailants.

Forensics investigators currently have the ability to match the unique signature on every bullet to the gun it was fired from. The problem then becomes, for detectives and law enforcement, finding the gun itself and the person who fired it.

California Senate Bill 357 and its sister bill Assembly Bill 352 would have all new guns stamp an I.D. number on shell casings as they fire, and require every semi-automatic handgun sold after Jan. 1, 2009, to be equipped with the new microstamping technology that assigns traceable serial numbers to individual bullets.

According to these proposals, any semi-automatic not on California's Section 12131 roster —the list of weapons that do not possess the ability to create microstamps — will be defined as an "unsafe" handgun.

California state Assemblyman Paul Koretz (search), D-West Hollywood, is one of the bill's authors.

"Imagine how much easier it would be, in the case of my bill microstamping, if there was just a number and you call it into a database and you know exactly who it is in five or 10 minutes," Koretz said.

Critics argue the laws will punish law-abiding citizens and sportsmen by raising costs. Those in the gun and ammo manufacturing business add that they're tired of bearing the brunt of gun crime and accuse lawmakers of targeting their livelihood.

"I will stop selling ammo the day after. So if that's what the lawmakers want, is that guys like me to get out of the ammunition business, then all they have to do is tell me I have to spend 15, 20 minutes to paperwork a $2 box of ammo and I'm out," says Ted Szajer, owner of L.A. Guns.

Opponents insist these laws are just anti-gun politics that penalize law-abiding citizens who do not abuse guns.

Sam Paredes, the Executive Director of the organization Gun Owners of California (search), said recreational use will be adversely affected.

"Small .22 caliber ammunition — that people use to play with and for target practice — the cost of that will be $50, $60, $70 a box if this bill were to go into effect. That isn't going to solve any crimes," he said.

But members of law enforcement and lawmakers and who support the bills call traceable bullets an obvious next step in connecting criminals to their crimes.

The bill proposed by Attorney General Bill Lockyer (search) and supported by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has already passed the Assembly and one Senate panel. It is up for further review in August.

Big Dog · 08-03-2005, 09:43 AM

Maybe the idiots will wake up when their LEO's run out of ammo . . .

Sounds like the next 'obvious step' will be to confiscate all those 'unsafe' handguns! 'Gun Control' by any name is an odious and evil thing.
Semi-auto pistols first, then they'll do the revolvers, then single-shot target & hunting guns. Can rifles be far behind? What about shotguns? What cost to etch numbers on every piece of shot?

Gunnie Ed · 08-03-2005, 09:56 AM

what i'd like to know is who's the retards who actually support this?

Big Dog · 08-03-2005, 01:41 PM

Look who's occupying those comfy leather seats in the Capitol Building in Sacremento . . .
I keep hoping the good, right-thinking folks can get it together and dispose of these useless politicos.

Doglips · 08-03-2005, 02:10 PM

sooo now all the unsafe hand guns will be worth more ..kidna a pre ban price thing....

Silly ????? lets say a criminal....who of course would never do such a thing.....instead of purchesing a pistol from a lic dealer and provideing all his information ....does the unthinkable....and say steals a firearm....poops a few caps off at a fellow gang member (not that this would ever happen ofcourse)....LAPD picks up the caseings and goes hummm owned by xxxx ...do they go and arrest the gun owner....even if it was reported stolen..police reports and all....???

Also give LAPD's rate of fire Id hate to be the one who has to pick up all the brass...much less has to sort it out by firearm

SPOCAHP ANAR · 08-03-2005, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunnie Ed

what i'd like to know is who's the retards who actually support this?

Anyone with a D beside their name.

dhermesc · 08-04-2005, 08:16 AM

They can't stop a 200 man from walking into California from Mexico, how are they going to stop that same man from carrying in 20 pounds of ammo?

Gunnie Ed · 08-04-2005, 08:34 AM

they won't. this is to stop the real problem; people who don't tout their party line.

Gunnie Ed · 08-05-2005, 10:02 PM

found a few more articles on the topic.
http://www.saami.org/news/CA_ammoSer040505.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/2nd...let_coding.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...n175406D48.DTL

Full MeTal Jack · 08-05-2005, 11:33 PM

Kalifornia doesn't need to seceed from the Union. Heck! Let's kick em out.

All that crud falls right in line with Handgun Control Inc's "five year Master plan". More restictions in the name of , of, of, saf, of,secu, er-ah, crime prev, oh yeah, of disarming America.

"it's not me, it's the rest of the world"

ALR · 08-07-2005, 12:23 AM

Boy I'm glad I moved out of the land o' fruits and nuts. I even lived among the biggest, right there in Sacratomato.........................Scares the crap out of me just thinking about it.
Just think, you'll be able to CCW at the NRA convention right here in StL,maybe.

08-03-2005, 09:32 AM	#1
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,620 Images: 1	I will be stopping sales to PRK residents very soon If this bill passes I am done selling and sending ammo to the communist state of Kalifornia. Lawmakers Consider Stamps on Bullets Wednesday, August 03, 2005 LOS ANGELES — Lawmakers in California now have two bills on the table that could aid in the search for gun-firing assailants. Forensics investigators currently have the ability to match the unique signature on every bullet to the gun it was fired from. The problem then becomes, for detectives and law enforcement, finding the gun itself and the person who fired it. California Senate Bill 357 and its sister bill Assembly Bill 352 would have all new guns stamp an I.D. number on shell casings as they fire, and require every semi-automatic handgun sold after Jan. 1, 2009, to be equipped with the new microstamping technology that assigns traceable serial numbers to individual bullets. According to these proposals, any semi-automatic not on California's Section 12131 roster —the list of weapons that do not possess the ability to create microstamps — will be defined as an "unsafe" handgun. California state Assemblyman Paul Koretz (search), D-West Hollywood, is one of the bill's authors. "Imagine how much easier it would be, in the case of my bill microstamping, if there was just a number and you call it into a database and you know exactly who it is in five or 10 minutes," Koretz said. Critics argue the laws will punish law-abiding citizens and sportsmen by raising costs. Those in the gun and ammo manufacturing business add that they're tired of bearing the brunt of gun crime and accuse lawmakers of targeting their livelihood. "I will stop selling ammo the day after. So if that's what the lawmakers want, is that guys like me to get out of the ammunition business, then all they have to do is tell me I have to spend 15, 20 minutes to paperwork a $2 box of ammo and I'm out," says Ted Szajer, owner of L.A. Guns. Opponents insist these laws are just anti-gun politics that penalize law-abiding citizens who do not abuse guns. Sam Paredes, the Executive Director of the organization Gun Owners of California (search), said recreational use will be adversely affected. "Small .22 caliber ammunition — that people use to play with and for target practice — the cost of that will be $50, $60, $70 a box if this bill were to go into effect. That isn't going to solve any crimes," he said. But members of law enforcement and lawmakers and who support the bills call traceable bullets an obvious next step in connecting criminals to their crimes. The bill proposed by Attorney General Bill Lockyer (search) and supported by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence has already passed the Assembly and one Senate panel. It is up for further review in August. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

08-03-2005, 09:43 AM	#2
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,421	Maybe the idiots will wake up when their LEO's run out of ammo . . . Sounds like the next 'obvious step' will be to confiscate all those 'unsafe' handguns! 'Gun Control' by any name is an odious and evil thing. Semi-auto pistols first, then they'll do the revolvers, then single-shot target & hunting guns. Can rifles be far behind? What about shotguns? What cost to etch numbers on every piece of shot? __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

08-03-2005, 09:56 AM	#3
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 811	what i'd like to know is who's the retards who actually support this? __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

08-03-2005, 01:41 PM	#4
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,421	Look who's occupying those comfy leather seats in the Capitol Building in Sacremento . . . I keep hoping the good, right-thinking folks can get it together and dispose of these useless politicos. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

08-04-2005, 08:16 AM	#7
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	They can't stop a 200 man from walking into California from Mexico, how are they going to stop that same man from carrying in 20 pounds of ammo? __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

08-03-2005, 02:10 PM	#5
Doglips Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cocoa Florida Posts: 9,088	sooo now all the unsafe hand guns will be worth more ..kidna a pre ban price thing.... Silly ????? lets say a criminal....who of course would never do such a thing.....instead of purchesing a pistol from a lic dealer and provideing all his information ....does the unthinkable....and say steals a firearm....poops a few caps off at a fellow gang member (not that this would ever happen ofcourse)....LAPD picks up the caseings and goes hummm owned by xxxx ...do they go and arrest the gun owner....even if it was reported stolen..police reports and all....??? Also give LAPD's rate of fire Id hate to be the one who has to pick up all the brass...much less has to sort it out by firearm

08-04-2005, 08:34 AM	#8
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 811	they won't. this is to stop the real problem; people who don't tout their party line. __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

08-05-2005, 10:02 PM	#9
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 811	found a few more articles on the topic. http://www.saami.org/news/CA_ammoSer040505.htm http://www.infowars.com/articles/2nd...let_coding.htm http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...n175406D48.DTL __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

08-05-2005, 11:33 PM	#10
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,473 Images: 5	Kalifornia doesn't need to seceed from the Union. Heck! Let's kick em out. All that crud falls right in line with Handgun Control Inc's "five year Master plan". More restictions in the name of , of, of, saf, of,secu, er-ah, crime prev, oh yeah, of disarming America. "it's not me, it's the rest of the world" __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg Last edited by Full MeTal Jack; 08-07-2005 at 02:13 AM.

08-07-2005, 12:23 AM	#11
ALR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Eastern MO Posts: 184	Boy I'm glad I moved out of the land o' fruits and nuts. I even lived among the biggest, right there in Sacratomato.........................Scares the crap out of me just thinking about it. Just think, you'll be able to CCW at the NRA convention right here in StL,maybe. __________________ Hold on pardner,good things are coming to you! <--- Gittin to the gittin place.