Davey Crocket would not have given aid to the hurricane victims

Despoiler · 09-25-2005, 12:28 AM

I have no problem with charity because it is a persons choice whether to give or not to, but re-distribution of income is wrong. I don't think that the govt should act like an insurance program. If my house was to burn down, I don't think that the govt would be there building me a new house.

http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

Full MeTal Jack · 09-25-2005, 12:35 AM

Yeah ol Crocket got chastised from a constituent (voter) for pushing through a several thousand dollar relief bill to a few families that a fire burnt down their homes.
the most danerous thing a govment can do is vote your tax dollars to a charitable cause.
MeTal OUT

Dennis · 09-25-2005, 12:50 AM

Uh?
so davey voted a relief bill and now the claim is that he wouldnt help the hurricane victims?
First off he has been dead for many years so this is actually an attack on the "ideals" of Davey Crocket,
Davey Crocket and Daniel Boone have become symbols of American charcter.
so the reality is this is an attack on American charcter.

A rather Anti American thing to do dont ya think,

it's called *hit stirrin..........

Despoiler · 09-25-2005, 01:01 AM

Read the link Dennis.

Full MeTal Jack · 09-25-2005, 01:14 AM

Your reading too much in to it. Government is not out there to cure all our ills from cradle to grave. In my opinion the U.S. Government nipple is way out of control. Too many of us Americans worship at the alter of Big Government. Thank you Bill Clinton.
What ever happened to the famous words of John F. Kennedy, "It's not what the country can do for you. It's what you can do for your country."
I take that seriously. Or? Is it just a slogan for political clout?
It ought to be our national slogan
My opine.
full meTal out

lefty o · 09-25-2005, 01:20 AM

allent, i agree with you on this. relief(short term food and shelter) is one thing, welfare (anything above and beyond relief)is another entirely. its always been my belief that the American way was to stand on your own 2 feet, and make due with what you have, not to be coddled and spoon fed through life.

Big Dog · 09-25-2005, 05:51 AM

Left O, that was true once - til the Commies turned into Liberals and took over the Government. Now we're all cattle being milked for the greenbacks, which are then shoveled into the gaping maw of the Liberal voting block.

We need to make Federal Government Service an unpaid job, done in one's off time - like it generally was in the time of Washington. No more tax perks or monetary kickbacks either. Take some of the greed out of the job.

mudtoy67 · 09-25-2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

allent, i agree with you on this. relief(short term food and shelter) is one thing, welfare (anything above and beyond relief)is another entirely. its always been my belief that the American way was to stand on your own 2 feet, and make due with what you have, not to be coddled and spoon fed through life.

Maybe it was "back in the day", but not now. What I have percieved based on events of the past 10 years, is that the american way is all about beating the system. It's about using your grandma's handicap tag for parking. It's about creatives ideas in tax deductions. It's about making a buck on a lawsuit, even if you really knew that cup of McDonald's coffee was 'HOT'. It sucks, but this kind of stuff just seems to be what I see every day.

I think that most people on welfare only have to make one decision...."Am I comfortable living on welfare, even if it means I don't get to have the perks that people with jobs who make money have?" If a person is comfortable living on a couple hundred dollars a month, then thats all they have to do is just pick up that welfare check.

Full MeTal Jack · 09-25-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mudtoy67

I think that most people on welfare only have to make one decision...."Am I comfortable living on welfare, even if it means I don't get to have the perks that people with jobs who make money have?" If a person is comfortable living on a couple hundred dollars a month, then thats all they have to do is just pick up that welfare check.

Hunger is a great motivator!

My father always told me, " A man does not work, a man does not eat!"
I work.
Too bad he didn't know how to make money.

1.) What's the number 1 health problem with America's "poor"?

2.) What ethnic group has the highest number of welfare recipients?

3.) What country has the richest poor?

Story: The old gas station attendant that everyone knows remarried and inheritated a lazy good-for-nothing son-inlaw. Ol Silvester was going to go on vaction for a week. He was worried about his son-inlaw breaking into the house and stealing the valuable valuables. I suggested he hide the presious jewlery in his work boots. The old man laughed and agreed, "he'd never look there."
MeTal out

troy2000 · 09-25-2005, 11:49 AM

Isn't helping to rebuild an area devastated by a natural disaster or an attack reasonably included in "providing for the common welfare?" The government may be under no obligation to make people whole from calamity, but getting the Gulf area somewhat back to normal would seem to be good for the country as a whole.

In regard to the attacks on welfare that I read regularly on this forum, I'd like to quote my dad's comment back when the Clinton administration was reforming welfare: "any reform which does not ensure that the children get fed is a sham." I don't like it either when people sponge off the taxpayers, but the question of how far a government should and can go in an attempt to better the lives of its citizens is a complicated one that doesn't repond well to simple sloganeering. And I'm put off by the mean-spirited, selfish attitudes I see on here sometimes.

mudtoy67 · 09-25-2005, 02:45 PM

I complain about welfare alot, but you're dad is right Troy, the children do need to be fed. And a welfare system may be the only way that alot of poor children do get food. Unfortunately theres a lot of people who would rather stay poor than get a job and make a better life for their child. Then again, theres a lot of people who probably can't work, for some valid reason. I don't think we need to ditch welfare alltogether. I just wish there was some way to influence more people who can work to do so.

troy2000 · 09-25-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mudtoy67

I complain about welfare alot, but you're dad is right Troy, the children do need to be fed. And a welfare system may be the only way that alot of poor children do get food. Unfortunately theres a lot of people who would rather stay poor than get a job and make a better life for their child. Then again, theres a lot of people who probably can't work, for some valid reason. I don't think we need to ditch welfare alltogether. I just wish there was some way to influence more people who can work to do so.

If I had some foolproof answers to how we can feed the little ones without training them into a life of dependency, or how to draw a solid line between helping those adults who need a hand to get back on their feet vs those who'd really rather just sit on their rumps, I'd be running for state treasurer at the very least.

jerry · 09-25-2005, 07:54 PM

Another thread for lead vs game. all people I respect eating one another's anus's out.

troy2000 · 09-25-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry

Another thread for lead vs game. all people I respect eating one another's anus's out.

Something must have gotten lost in translation.

jerry · 09-25-2005, 08:01 PM

not to worry, I'm probably outa line anyways.

troy2000 · 09-25-2005, 09:25 PM

probably...

Despoiler · 09-26-2005, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jerry

Another thread for lead vs game. all people I respect eating one another's anus's out.

You are right on Jerry. And I tell you I am getting sick of both, myself.

Allen

mudtoy67 · 09-26-2005, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

If I had some foolproof answers to how we can feed the little ones without training them into a life of dependency, or how to draw a solid line between helping those adults who need a hand to get back on their feet vs those who'd really rather just sit on their rumps, I'd be running for state treasurer at the very least.

Exactly. Thats what i'm saying. I don't have the answers...I just complain about what's wrong. The only thing i disagree with is that if you HAD the answers, you wouldn't be running for a government position......cause Lord knows they wouldn't know what to do with the answers. :right:

Dennis · 09-26-2005, 02:59 AM

OK OK I finally got it to open.....
Boi dont I feel sheepishly uh Well, wrong
Sorry I must have been "tired" ......

Full MeTal Jack · 09-27-2005, 09:57 PM

Here's the answers.

1.) What's the number 1 health problem with America's "poor"?
OBESITY
2.) What ethnic group has the highest number of welfare recipients?
WHITES
3.) What country has the richest poor?
UNITED STATES of AMERICA

Full Metal on target

09-25-2005, 12:28 AM	#1
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Davey Crocket would not have given aid to the hurricane victims I have no problem with charity because it is a persons choice whether to give or not to, but re-distribution of income is wrong. I don't think that the govt should act like an insurance program. If my house was to burn down, I don't think that the govt would be there building me a new house. http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm

09-25-2005, 12:35 AM	#2
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,473 Images: 5	Yeah ol Crocket got chastised from a constituent (voter) for pushing through a several thousand dollar relief bill to a few families that a fire burnt down their homes. the most danerous thing a govment can do is vote your tax dollars to a charitable cause. MeTal OUT __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg

09-25-2005, 12:50 AM	#3
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,880	Uh? so davey voted a relief bill and now the claim is that he wouldnt help the hurricane victims? First off he has been dead for many years so this is actually an attack on the "ideals" of Davey Crocket, Davey Crocket and Daniel Boone have become symbols of American charcter. so the reality is this is an attack on American charcter. A rather Anti American thing to do dont ya think, it's called *hit stirrin.......... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

09-25-2005, 01:14 AM	#5
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,473 Images: 5	Your reading too much in to it. Government is not out there to cure all our ills from cradle to grave. In my opinion the U.S. Government nipple is way out of control. Too many of us Americans worship at the alter of Big Government. Thank you Bill Clinton. What ever happened to the famous words of John F. Kennedy, "It's not what the country can do for you. It's what you can do for your country." I take that seriously. Or? Is it just a slogan for political clout? It ought to be our national slogan My opine. full meTal out __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg Last edited by Full MeTal Jack; 10-01-2005 at 09:46 AM.

09-25-2005, 05:51 AM	#7
Big Dog Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 10,412	Left O, that was true once - til the Commies turned into Liberals and took over the Government. Now we're all cattle being milked for the greenbacks, which are then shoveled into the gaping maw of the Liberal voting block. We need to make Federal Government Service an unpaid job, done in one's off time - like it generally was in the time of Washington. No more tax perks or monetary kickbacks either. Take some of the greed out of the job. __________________ Moderator of: AR15/M16, M14/M1A, New/Beginning Shooters and Militaria/Collectables.

09-25-2005, 01:01 AM	#4
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	Read the link Dennis.

09-25-2005, 01:20 AM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,103	allent, i agree with you on this. relief(short term food and shelter) is one thing, welfare (anything above and beyond relief)is another entirely. its always been my belief that the American way was to stand on your own 2 feet, and make due with what you have, not to be coddled and spoon fed through life.

09-25-2005, 11:49 AM	#10
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	Isn't helping to rebuild an area devastated by a natural disaster or an attack reasonably included in "providing for the common welfare?" The government may be under no obligation to make people whole from calamity, but getting the Gulf area somewhat back to normal would seem to be good for the country as a whole. In regard to the attacks on welfare that I read regularly on this forum, I'd like to quote my dad's comment back when the Clinton administration was reforming welfare: "any reform which does not ensure that the children get fed is a sham." I don't like it either when people sponge off the taxpayers, but the question of how far a government should and can go in an attempt to better the lives of its citizens is a complicated one that doesn't repond well to simple sloganeering. And I'm put off by the mean-spirited, selfish attitudes I see on here sometimes.

09-25-2005, 02:45 PM	#11
mudtoy67 Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 72	I complain about welfare alot, but you're dad is right Troy, the children do need to be fed. And a welfare system may be the only way that alot of poor children do get food. Unfortunately theres a lot of people who would rather stay poor than get a job and make a better life for their child. Then again, theres a lot of people who probably can't work, for some valid reason. I don't think we need to ditch welfare alltogether. I just wish there was some way to influence more people who can work to do so. __________________ BDR Remington 700BDL .270 Win Grandpa's 12 gauge Winchester 63 22LR

09-25-2005, 07:54 PM	#13
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,199 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	Another thread for lead vs game. all people I respect eating one another's anus's out. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

09-25-2005, 08:01 PM	#15
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,199 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	not to worry, I'm probably outa line anyways. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

09-25-2005, 09:25 PM	#16
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	probably...

09-26-2005, 02:59 AM	#19
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,880	OK OK I finally got it to open..... Boi dont I feel sheepishly uh Well, wrong Sorry I must have been "tired" ...... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

09-27-2005, 09:57 PM	#20
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,473 Images: 5	Here's the answers. 1.) What's the number 1 health problem with America's "poor"? OBESITY 2.) What ethnic group has the highest number of welfare recipients? WHITES 3.) What country has the richest poor? UNITED STATES of AMERICA Full Metal on target __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg