[LOCKnLOAD]

Penatration is good, but do you think that the AK round will not penatrate?

I admit I have fired full power rounds in a garand only, my other semi's are the AK and M16 round...so as for recoil in the FAL I cannot comment.

But I am used to shooting full power 3" magnum 12ga slugs, and .308 nato in a enfield jungle carbine, so recoil does not bother me. I want to get an FAL, actually a G1 type kit with a imbel receiver when I move to FL. Here in NJ those type of arms are a no-no unfortunately.

Anyway, personally I can hit out to 500yds well with my 303 and 308 military bolts, sos I am sure the FAL or G# will be ok as long as I can hit the target.

Sarge:

As for full auto, I want to get a 1927 Thompson.

[Klaus]

Sarge- The problems were NOT solved in the A2. The thin gas tube still traps water and the fouling has only been reduced, not eliminated. The biggest "improvement" was the incorporation of the forward assist plunger to make it easier to clear jams, rather than prevent them with a simple short stroke gas piston.

[FALPhil]

I'm with Klaus on this one. I have a real problem with direct gas impingement. Is it me, or does blowing burnt powder ash into the chamber not make much sense?

[Sarge]

LocknLoad
The 1927 Thompson was the only semi only Thompson ever made. They are super rare. Most in later years were sent back to the factory and modified to select fire. A 1921 will bring $20K, a 1927 will probably bring quite a bit more.
Best to get an M1928A1, if you have to have one that takes the drum. If a drum isn't important (they are akward/clumsy to carry around - both in the gun and out) then get an M1A1. They are the least expensive and have the least # of parts, still $5K +/-Sarge

[LOCKnLOAD]

Sarge,

The M1 THompson sounds good. But I really like the cutts on the barrel. Does the M1 come with it?

That is why I chose the other one, the 1928 sounds good too. The 100 rd drum looks good on that classic shape. But I am not sure about dropping above 10k on one.

What do you suggest?

LocknLoad

[Klaus]

I thought they started making semiautomatic Thompsons again about 5 years ago, with the Thompson name. Then of course, there are the numerous copies from companies like
Auto-Ordnance.

looks like the M-14 won :assult:

[BattleRifleG3]

I'd take a FAL over an M14.

I voted for the AR-15 :assult: one day I will have an M-1 Carbine

[Gyrene]

I didn't get in on the start of this, but from my personal experience, the M1 Garand would be my first choice. The M14 would be my second choice (the magazines can and have been lost, and then you have a single shot rifle, but the M1 Garand ammo comes already in clips if you get bandoliers, and there is no danger of losing one and being out of business).

Why? I like the hitting power of the M1 Garand, and have had the personal experience of shooting through the bottoms of railroad tracks which had been set up as a barracade to shoot from behind. The guy had a small gap to put his muzzle through (a Mosin Nagant), and shot and wounded several of my fellow Marines. We were firing AP, it cut through the rail bottoms and I killed him on the second shot. A .223 (5.56 x 45mm) would have been a liability. A .308 (7.62 x 51mm) just doesn't have the punch, even with AP. The acceptance test for the .30-06 M2 Ball, was that it had to shoot through 60 inches (that is 5 feet) of pine, and leave a round hole at the exit. Don't sit behind a 3 foot thick tree trunk and think I can't hit, I can shoot through it.

A good example of the difference, I found at my work. The company had a contract to supply some armor, which could stand up to .308 (7.62 x 51mm) AP. The engineers designed it and set up the tests in our ballistics lab. They couldn't figure out why the bullets were penetrating the armor, and the Government was considering dropping our contract.

I heard about the tests failing, and asked for the specs that the armor had to meet. I saw the problem immediately, because they had designed the armor to stand up to .308 (7.62 x 51mm) AP, it would take any hits from the expected 7.62 x 39, and occasional 7.62 x 54R. Good design, but the ballistics lab only had .30-06 AP and that was too powerful for the armor design. I told the Government Representatives to get some 7.62 x 51mm barrels and AP ammo, and the armor would do the job. It was resisted for about 2 weeks, until a Government Rep (who is also a shooter) who knew me said, "DO IT!"

Well to prove our point, we had several tests performed with both the .30-06 and the 7.62 x 51mm shooting at common and separate armor. The .30-06 AP always penetrated the armor, and they could never get the 7.62 x 51mm AP to punch through. These tests were monitored by the Government, and they were quite happy with our armor. The ballistics lab manager kept shaking his head, saying that he didn't know why he didn't think of the .30-06 AP having that much more punch. I told him that he should listen to us old Marines a little more!

I carried the M1 Garand in combat, and I never noticed the weight, and when I could, I carried as many bandoliers of ammo as I could find (one time I had 15 bandoliers around my neck (that is a lot of ammo!), and they were all used up within 2 hours). I carried the M1 Garand and the ammo, but my first job was to carry the Company Radio which weighed over 30 pounds, without the battery. I also had to carry a battery in the radio and an extra battery (because of the subzero weather), which added another near 40 pounds to the burden of my personal gear. I won't say I never noticed the weight, but I will say, I was grateful anytime I could get another bandolier of ammo.

I recognize the importance of full auto fire from some of the weapons, but aimed fire is very disruptive to the enemy, when one of theirs drops dead with every shot from our troops. You don't want to go up against any group equipped with M1 Garands.

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[whitley]

undefined I started out with the M14 in in 1964-1967 and was very pleased with it's reliability. During one training exercise in Fort Polk, LA, it was raining cats and dogs and having to crawl thru the mud with our rifles and fire live ammo. When we reached the barracks, we went in the showers with our muddy gear including the 14. The Drain was clogged up by not the 14. The M14 came thru with without a hic up early the next day. ARs, I find in IPSC 3-Gun Competition Competition are very sensitive to dust, dirt, and are prone to jam at the wrong time. I usually have to do a quick clean after every stage. The M14, although heavier and has a smaller mag capacity makes up for it's accuracy, reliability, power and range when you need it the most. When your adrenalin is pumping the extra weight and recoil are unnoticeable.

[Big Dog]

Well, it's been awhile, and many of us have gotten experience with additional guns since the poll first came out.
I would change my selection to the CETME in 7.62X51. Reliable, hard-hitting and accurate. It's now my prime SHTF rifle, should it come down to that.
It can double as a deer rifle during extended field stays. It can handle commercial .308 ammo, if necessary, making ammo availability easier.
Lack of a gas system makes it more forgiving of different types of ammo, and different power levels. No pesky adjusting for a different load.

[spicybeefjerky]

Im going to agree with gyrene on this one, ive put a lot of rounds throught my garand and havent had i foul up but once or twice, when your life is on the line i doubt that weight is going to be a factor in your decision making, with an AK you cant kill the enemy if you cant HIT the enemy. i know i would prefer to engage at a range rather than a few yards away.

[Thrawn]

Quote:       Originally Posted by spicybeefjerky

Im going to agree with gyrene on this one, ive put a lot of rounds throught my garand and havent had i foul up but once or twice, when your life is on the line i doubt that weight is going to be a factor in your decision making, with an AK you cant kill the enemy if you cant HIT the enemy. i know i would prefer to engage at a range rather than a few yards away.

:nod: Right on, I still like the AK but unless its full auto I would prefer more accuracy. Don't get me wrong about the AK, but engaging tarets at 200, 400, or even 600 gives you more of a "safe zone" so you can change tactics. (aka RUN)

[whitley]

Quote:       Originally Posted by LOCKnLOAD

If you were going into combat and needed to chose a selection of arms, what would you choose and why? I am curious as to what comments we will have... As for me I will leave the AR at home, simply because I cannot bet my life on it. It requires too much cleaning in the field, and sometimes you are not able to clean it due to combat situations. My selection is my mini-14, and a quality AK. A shooting buddy of mine almost got killed in combat in Nam in 66 because of a fouled up M16. It jammed and he tossed it in favor of the M14 for the rest of his 2 year tour. He never regreted it, cept for his few bros' that got wasted by jammed M16's. :assult: :nod:

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The AK in Jungles and Deserts are probably better since they are cheaply made and fire anything....A very simple action, bigger bullet and very loose, although not as accurate as the M16...but who needs precise markmanship in a combat situation. When you pull the trigger and it goes "BANG", every time is Reliability when you need it most.

Whitley

[whitley]

My choice in any sitution would be an M14...cut my teeth on one in the Army 1964-1970....they had to pry one from my hands and tried to give me an M16. Ya got the power, accuracy and reliability...less round count, but who needs it when one shot gets the job done.

Whitley

[NRAJOE]

AK-47! Milled!

[Mandy]

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Quote:       Originally Posted by NRAJOE

AK-47! Milled!

Got mine, with a dozen waffles !!!!!!!!!!

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[NRAJOE]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Mandy

:assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: :assult: Got mine, with a dozen waffles !!!!!!!!!!

Only a dozen? I got 24 waffles and 10 Polish synthetics...

[Mandy]

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Give me time bro, give some time ................

Watch for a couple of chineese drums ............

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