John Glen said...

Uncle Red · 10-22-2005, 07:08 PM

Things that make you think a little: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:

a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost … an average of 112,500 per year.

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.

d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost … an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But, it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts

But Wait … There's more!

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR) Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank." "I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men … with their mangled bodies, in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? What about you?"

For those who don't remember … During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator!

-UR

jerry · 10-22-2005, 07:46 PM

Good post. I hope someone don't come by with some upity snopes B.S. I want to believe :right:

rebel727 · 10-22-2005, 07:57 PM

very good post but I think I hear a washing machine lid creaking.

jerry · 10-22-2005, 09:07 PM

what do ya mean by that Reb?

troy2000 · 10-22-2005, 09:44 PM

You can go all the way back to the Mexican War that President Polk trumped up purely as a land grab, and it still won't convince me that Bush and his bunch don't have their heads up their collective rear.

It's bad enough that they lied us into this war; it is inexcusable that they've screwed it up six ways from Sunday.

And before you dismiss those dead servicemen and women so cavalierly, remember that for every one that's died there are about ten who have been seriously wounded, and many of those are crippled for life. Maybe Bush should send you to explain to their families that being killed or maimed in an unnecessary war is no big deal, because other people die in murders, car wrecks or bathtub drownings. I'm sure it'll make them feel a lot better about the whole thing...

Gyrene · 10-22-2005, 10:01 PM

The problem with John Glenn, is that he is one of the most Liberal Senators that ever set foot in Washington D. C.

Yes he is a Marine, and I do not understand his Liberal position, despite what he has been through. It is kind of like a soldier or Marine that has been through the "He!!" of combat, and is an Atheist. I don't personally know of any, I never saw any, but I am sure they exist, but HOW, WHY??

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rebel727 · 10-22-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

what do ya mean by that Reb?

Knew it wouldn't be long.

jerry · 10-22-2005, 10:12 PM

something I said??

troy2000 · 10-22-2005, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyrene

The problem with John Glenn, is that he is one of the most Liberal Senators that ever set foot in Washington D. C.

Yes he is a Marine, and I do not understand his Liberal position, despite what he has been through. It is kind of like a soldier or Marine that has been through the "He!!" of combat, and is an Atheist. I don't personally know of any, I never saw any, but I am sure they exist, but HOW, WHY??

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It certainly wasn't the Liberals.

Maybe you should take a look at who in Washington has been trying to cut veteran's benefits the last few years, and who has been trying to save them.

Apollyon67 · 10-22-2005, 10:27 PM

Thanks for that post UR.

rebel727 · 10-22-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

something I said??

No not at all, just knew it wouldn't be long before something negative would be said about Uncle Reds post is all.

jerry · 10-23-2005, 08:39 AM

oky dokey.

How'd ya know that would become so controversial so quickly? I know any one can have an opinion on any given day. With all due respect to those who disagree with UR's post, hey, it's a free country. Just do us a favor and don't try to get me to think like you and we'll get along just fine.

The stated facts are what made this interesting to me. I have never followed Mr. Glen's politics. I reckon if he were my senator I would. He may have views that are of line with some folks thinking, that's life.

Troy, with all due respect Sir. Don't do the thinking for we GI's. If we didn't want to work for whatever CC comes along (I'm on my 4th CC/President during my career) to defend freedom WORLDWIDE for what is in the BEST INTEREST of the United States we wouldn' have raised our right hand and said these words.

“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

If this doesen't make sense to anyone I'll be happy to explain more off forum.

rebel727 · 10-23-2005, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

oky dokey.

How'd ya know that would become so controversial so quickly?

Wasn't hard.

troy2000 · 10-23-2005, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

oky dokey.

How'd ya know that would become so controversial so quickly? I know any one can have an opinion on any given day. With all due respect to those who disagree with UR's post, hey, it's a free country. Just do us a favor and don't try to get me to think like you and we'll get along just fine.

The stated facts are what made this interesting to me. I have never followed Mr. Glen's politics. I reckon if he were my senator I would. He may have views that are of line with some folks thinking, that's life.

Troy, with all due respect Sir. Don't do the thinking for we GI's. If we didn't want to work for whatever CC comes along (I'm on my 4th CC/President during my career) to defend freedom WORLDWIDE for what is in the BEST INTEREST of the United States we wouldn' have raised our right hand and said these words.

“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

If this doesen't make sense to anyone I'll be happy to explain more off forum.

As a Vietnam veteran, I was thinking for myself. And nowhere in that oath does it say, "and I will assume all liberals hate the military, and consider them enemies of the country." I don't see any indication that you believe that either, but it's depressing how many people have bought into it.

jerry · 10-23-2005, 11:41 AM

fair enough.

troy2000 · 10-23-2005, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerry

fair enough.

And I have no quarrel with your choice of a profession. My five brothers and I came of age in the 'sixties, and all six of us enlisted. Five of us did our four years and went on with our lives, but my baby brother just retired a few years ago.

Gyrene · 10-24-2005, 01:11 AM

Troy - I can believe that there are Liberals who are supportive of the Military and Naval Services, but I don't know of any, and since my first awareness of politics and the Military and Naval Services (in the early 1940's), I have yet to know of any. The Liberals use the Military and Naval Services when it is to their advantage to do so, but are not supportive other than to have their bidding done. At that point they want to get rid of all Military and Naval Services, down to a basic cadre of Officers and men that could be the core of a buildup to do their next bidding, as Military and Naval Services are too big a drain on the resources that they could use as handouts to the followers of their Socialist/Communist ideology!

Some like those who supported the call to war in Iraq, seemed to go along with the program just so they can make digs and berate the President, while trying to turn anything into a cause to motivate Americans to vote for Democrats for open offices in all the upcoming elections.

I will never buy into the thought about lies getting us into the war in Iraq. Some of the weapons of mass destruction have been found, specifically the chemicals that were located in various Iraqi military compounds, which were labeled as pesticides. In the separate containers, they are small hazard, but when mixed, they become sarin and other deadly gasses and poisons on a massive scale, as was used on the Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war of the 1980's, and the Iraqi Kurds after Desert Storm.

We do not know how much war materials of Mass Destruction was shipped to Iran, Syria, Jordan, and even Saudi Arabia; or how much was buried in the sand. Unless we stumble upon it, or someone knows where these burial sites are, it is likely we will never find all of it. It is a fact that some of the Russian built and supplied aircraft were buried in the sand in western Iraq, and I'm sure we haven't yet scratched the surface of what remains to be found. It is possible that we may never look further.

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troy2000 · 10-24-2005, 06:13 PM

How about John Glen? Isn't he the Liberal whose mention started this whole discussion to begin with?

Gyrene · 10-27-2005, 03:01 AM

Troy - John Glenn used the Marine Corps, just like he uses us even though we didn't vote for him, as well as those who did vote for him. He is a BIG TIME USER, and his support for the Military and Naval Services has always been to gain his own political advantage on other issues; despite what the USMC did for him, he only used the USMC for his own purposes (not unlike John Kerrys' misuse of the US Navy). To John Glenns' credit, he did not come home and wage war on our troops in harms way, as did John Kerry.

He was a good pilot, and an average Astronaut, but a very poor representative of the people of the USA! I refuse to believe that the good people of Ohio were well represented by John Glenn, as he had his interests at heart, not theirs.

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toolman · 10-27-2005, 05:18 AM

Things To Remember:
1. John Glenn is all about John Glenn.
2. John Glenn was an astronaut, he went to the moon, ON OUR DIME, he works for us, the U.S. citizen.
3. We paid for him to go into space again, even though there was no reason whatsoever, except he wanted to go.
4. John Glenn is a drain on the U.S. economy and everyone would be better off financing my hispanic buttcheek fat percentage study.
5. If you don't agree with our political policies, take a freakin' hike-Canada's waiting! They love "alternates"
6. If you are a liberal, Democrat, homosexual, gay, lesbian, or otherwise deviant, please feel free to kiss my rosy red a**! ( Only once, for you "alternate lifestyle" folks.)

10-22-2005, 07:08 PM	#1
Uncle Red Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 546	John Glen said... Things that make you think a little: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following: a. FDR led us into World War II. b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost … an average of 112,500 per year. c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year. d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost … an average of 5,800 per year. f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaeda, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But, it took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!! Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts But Wait … There's more! JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR) Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13 Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military. Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn): "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank." "I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men … with their mangled bodies, in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? What about you?" For those who don't remember … During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. Now he's a Senator! -UR __________________ "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"--Amendment II, Bill of Rights "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."--Thomas Paine "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36

10-22-2005, 07:46 PM	#2
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,193 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	Good post. I hope someone don't come by with some upity snopes B.S. I want to believe :right: __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-22-2005, 07:57 PM	#3
rebel727 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Heidelberg, Mississippi Posts: 1,634	very good post but I think I hear a washing machine lid creaking. __________________ North-1 South-0 HALFTIME!

10-22-2005, 09:07 PM	#4
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,193 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	what do ya mean by that Reb? __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-22-2005, 09:44 PM	#5
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,014 Images: 9	"And Thou art another" is but a poor defense for a knave... You can go all the way back to the Mexican War that President Polk trumped up purely as a land grab, and it still won't convince me that Bush and his bunch don't have their heads up their collective rear. It's bad enough that they lied us into this war; it is inexcusable that they've screwed it up six ways from Sunday. And before you dismiss those dead servicemen and women so cavalierly, remember that for every one that's died there are about ten who have been seriously wounded, and many of those are crippled for life. Maybe Bush should send you to explain to their families that being killed or maimed in an unnecessary war is no big deal, because other people die in murders, car wrecks or bathtub drownings. I'm sure it'll make them feel a lot better about the whole thing...

10-22-2005, 10:01 PM	#6
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	The problem with John Glenn, is that he is one of the most Liberal Senators that ever set foot in Washington D. C. Yes he is a Marine, and I do not understand his Liberal position, despite what he has been through. It is kind of like a soldier or Marine that has been through the "He!!" of combat, and is an Atheist. I don't personally know of any, I never saw any, but I am sure they exist, but HOW, WHY?? `

10-22-2005, 10:12 PM	#8
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,193 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	something I said?? __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-22-2005, 10:27 PM	#10
Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,238 Images: 17	Thanks for that post UR. __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

10-23-2005, 08:39 AM	#12
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,193 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	oky dokey. How'd ya know that would become so controversial so quickly? I know any one can have an opinion on any given day. With all due respect to those who disagree with UR's post, hey, it's a free country. Just do us a favor and don't try to get me to think like you and we'll get along just fine. The stated facts are what made this interesting to me. I have never followed Mr. Glen's politics. I reckon if he were my senator I would. He may have views that are of line with some folks thinking, that's life. Troy, with all due respect Sir. Don't do the thinking for we GI's. If we didn't want to work for whatever CC comes along (I'm on my 4th CC/President during my career) to defend freedom WORLDWIDE for what is in the BEST INTEREST of the United States we wouldn' have raised our right hand and said these words. “I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” If this doesen't make sense to anyone I'll be happy to explain more off forum. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-23-2005, 11:41 AM	#15
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,193 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	fair enough. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

10-24-2005, 01:11 AM	#17
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Troy - I can believe that there are Liberals who are supportive of the Military and Naval Services, but I don't know of any, and since my first awareness of politics and the Military and Naval Services (in the early 1940's), I have yet to know of any. The Liberals use the Military and Naval Services when it is to their advantage to do so, but are not supportive other than to have their bidding done. At that point they want to get rid of all Military and Naval Services, down to a basic cadre of Officers and men that could be the core of a buildup to do their next bidding, as Military and Naval Services are too big a drain on the resources that they could use as handouts to the followers of their Socialist/Communist ideology! Some like those who supported the call to war in Iraq, seemed to go along with the program just so they can make digs and berate the President, while trying to turn anything into a cause to motivate Americans to vote for Democrats for open offices in all the upcoming elections. I will never buy into the thought about lies getting us into the war in Iraq. Some of the weapons of mass destruction have been found, specifically the chemicals that were located in various Iraqi military compounds, which were labeled as pesticides. In the separate containers, they are small hazard, but when mixed, they become sarin and other deadly gasses and poisons on a massive scale, as was used on the Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war of the 1980's, and the Iraqi Kurds after Desert Storm. We do not know how much war materials of Mass Destruction was shipped to Iran, Syria, Jordan, and even Saudi Arabia; or how much was buried in the sand. Unless we stumble upon it, or someone knows where these burial sites are, it is likely we will never find all of it. It is a fact that some of the Russian built and supplied aircraft were buried in the sand in western Iraq, and I'm sure we haven't yet scratched the surface of what remains to be found. It is possible that we may never look further. `

10-24-2005, 06:13 PM	#18
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,014 Images: 9	How about John Glen? Isn't he the Liberal whose mention started this whole discussion to begin with?

10-27-2005, 03:01 AM	#19
Gyrene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 886	Troy - John Glenn used the Marine Corps, just like he uses us even though we didn't vote for him, as well as those who did vote for him. He is a BIG TIME USER, and his support for the Military and Naval Services has always been to gain his own political advantage on other issues; despite what the USMC did for him, he only used the USMC for his own purposes (not unlike John Kerrys' misuse of the US Navy). To John Glenns' credit, he did not come home and wage war on our troops in harms way, as did John Kerry. He was a good pilot, and an average Astronaut, but a very poor representative of the people of the USA! I refuse to believe that the good people of Ohio were well represented by John Glenn, as he had his interests at heart, not theirs. `

10-27-2005, 05:18 AM	#20
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,852 Blog Entries: 24	Things To Remember: 1. John Glenn is all about John Glenn. 2. John Glenn was an astronaut, he went to the moon, ON OUR DIME, he works for us, the U.S. citizen. 3. We paid for him to go into space again, even though there was no reason whatsoever, except he wanted to go. 4. John Glenn is a drain on the U.S. economy and everyone would be better off financing my hispanic buttcheek fat percentage study. 5. If you don't agree with our political policies, take a freakin' hike-Canada's waiting! They love "alternates" 6. If you are a liberal, Democrat, homosexual, gay, lesbian, or otherwise deviant, please feel free to kiss my rosy red a**! ( Only once, for you "alternate lifestyle" folks.) __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!