Me and some friends were in line shooting tin cans or whatever and the casings from my gun were coming a little to close to his head, cocked the pistol sideways (gangsta stile)
and hey presto, problem solved and no one caught hot brass in the face.
Funny story - there was a gang shooting at a school one day. Thankfully no one was shot, but a few of the punks had to go to the hospital with broken wrists. Seems they pointed them at some really extremely ghetto angle.
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I've got a Glock 17 training pistol that's been painted black with the sights mounted on the right side of the slide. It's called the "Home Boy Night Sight System." It gets alot of chuckles from everyone I show it to.
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I have never tried that. I saw Steve Segal doing it in one of his movies, and I haven't seen another since. I have tried shooting with a handgun in either hand, to see if the Westerns I saw as a kid had any basis in fact. I'm a good candidate for this, as I'm ambidex. I found that when engaging a single target with both pistols, it is very feasable. Trying to shoot at two at the same time is a sure way to miss both.
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i cannot say ive tried that.. but a ways back when i played metal gear solid 3 (just bear with me, i know its a game) in one of the cut scenes the girl used it that way and used the recoil to help aquire another target faster. even the main character makes a point of commenting how he has never seen someone do it in that way (at least effectively)
In CQC, (thats close quarters combat for you non-combatants) especially when you are doing a building search, may come upon an armed perp within the reach of your arm. Most shoot outs are at 2-4 feet. In which case you will often need multiple shots accurately aimed. Often you will not have time to get a two handed grip.
Now try this the next time you are out. Shoot your pistol as you normally would, grip perpendicular to the ground. Assuming you are right handed, you will have the gun in your right hand. Assuming that you are using a combat capable gun of .357 or .45, it is going to recoil, want to flip up in your grip, right? Now, standing 3 feet from your target, rotate your hand and gun about 45-60 degrees counter clockwise. The top of your pistol is going to be pointing mostly to your left. Now shoot. Notice that the recoil attempts to rotate your arm clockwise instead of up? Notice that you can get two really good fast shots right where you want them. With practice to return your grip to the slanted position, you can empty your mag or cylinder and keep all your shots in a close group, controlling the recoil by rotation instead of rising.
Bounty Hunter, I understand your theory of the gun "Torquing" clockwise due to the riflings in the barrel, but in all honesty, I have a hard time believing that such thought and even a fraction of firearm knowledge surfaced this "Ghetto" technique. I can't say that I will try your scenerio though thought out, due to the fact that I must stick to my vote. "No one will ever know if I have" done it. If I happen to do such I shall be alone and will tell no one.
In all seriousness though, even if the "Technique" (It is funny to call it that) does put your following shot on target fractionably sooner, I would hate to change my shooting instinct to include a 2 stage scenerio, I can't see that it would bring anything but confusion under a "stress fire" scenerio. But what works for one is what he/she should rely upon. (Wow I didn't think this Poll would actually bring out any topics with any weight) Good post Bill.
I did shoot some Molten Hot "Buffaloe Bore" brand Ammo in 45 Long Colt that after shooting cowboy rounds all day, I wasn't ready for the Vaquero to Twist to the side on me like it did. but with 45acp and 357 even in say.... Cor Bon, I don't have the Torque effect at all. (Noticably)
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I have another reason for using a sideways grip. Not saying i use it, as it has very limited use, at least for me, but i have tried it and it did work. When using a fully automatic pistol to clear a building, just tilt the weapon to horizontal and sweep the whole room. The recoil causes you to spray the area in a semi straight line horizontally. We did this on a practice range, and not on a real job. The concept seemed to work, but like said above, is very limited, for me at least. One reason, i dont like the concept of spraying an area indiscriminately, but can see the logic in war time with no friendly hostages. Second, i dont have a full auto handgun. Third, dont want one. Fired a couple, and once the novelty wore off after maybe half an hour, and the limitations started getting annoying, well, no thanks. It was explained that this was a method used back when the Brits and Chinese had some problems in China and Hong Kong in the early 1900s. But donthold me to that, just what we were told.
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When I was a kid I had a single six .22 that I fired that way all the time. I shot much better that way. When I got older I figured out the elevation was really really off, and that's why it worked better sideways.
Speaking of Bruce Willis, Here is another one, Has anyone ever had a gun in each hand with empty mags, and tried to reload "Last Man Standing" Style, Where you throw one 1911 up in the air insert mag into the non airborn gun and then had a mag ready for the falling 45 just in time? not me
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I've never seen Doug Koenig shoot with any angle in the gun, so I can't imagine it's truly beneficial since these guys spend all day trying to find the best way to shoot. That being said, I'll probably try a couple shots next time I'm at the range!
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