Just when you thought the day was good! And 2 ATF vans pull up!

grndesert · 11-11-2005, 01:02 AM

Was out about errands and such..When Iam driving by one of many gunshops
I visit from time to time..And what did I see...... ATF vans being loaded with
all the shops guns.
That's all iam gonna say about that.....

Despoiler · 11-11-2005, 02:08 AM

That sucks!

SPOCAHP ANAR · 11-11-2005, 06:48 AM

They probably broke the law.................
I am sure what ever reasons they were doing it were valid.

troy2000 · 11-11-2005, 09:53 AM

Had a guy out here whose gun shop got burglerized a couple of years back. Unfortunately, some of the weapons he reported stolen were illegal in California, and maybe elsewhere too. I don't know the details, and I don't know how it came out, but his place is still shuttered.

Guess he was stuck between a rock and a hard place: should he alert the gendarmerie that those weapons were now out and about in the hands of unsavory types, or keep his head low and hope nobody used them?

BattleRifleG3 · 11-11-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

They probably broke the law.................
I am sure what ever reasons they were doing it were valid.

Tongue in cheeck, I presume?

Rufus Rhastus J · 11-12-2005, 09:15 AM

Yes, i am sure....

SPOCAHP ANAR · 11-12-2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Tongue in cheeck, I presume?

No I really meant it; The governement believed they were doing wrong which means they probably were; which is good enough for me. Remember we have a second amendment friendly administration so I am sure it was handled precisely by the book.

ALR · 11-12-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

No I really meant it; The governement believed they were doing wrong which means they probably were; which is good enough for me. Remember we have a second amendment friendly administration so I am sure it was handled precisely by the book.

Haven't you read "Unintended Consequences" ??

Thrawn · 11-12-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

No I really meant it; The governement believed they were doing wrong which means they probably were; which is good enough for me. Remember we have a second amendment friendly administration so I am sure it was handled precisely by the book.

Everybody's a comiedian.

ducktapehero · 11-12-2005, 08:22 PM

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Remember we have a second amendment friendly administration

I wouldn't say the present administration is friendly toward the 2nd Amendment. Neutral maybe but if they were friendly they would be repealing gun control laws.

Thrawn · 11-12-2005, 08:25 PM

It's gonna be awhile before we see any gun "friendly" polititians in office.:nod:

gunssb · 11-13-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ducktapehero

I wouldn't say the present administration is friendly toward the 2nd Amendment. Neutral maybe but if they were friendly they would be repealing gun control laws.

couldn't agree more. Once this crap is in place, it never goes away.

Hank Springer · 11-15-2005, 03:27 PM

In the many years I operated a firearms business I never had a problem with ATF. The only contacts I ever had with them were for the purpose of researching the history of guns that had passed through my hands. I kept my nose clean by operating within the law.
I knew some others who became very familiar with the ATF as results of illegal firearms transfers.
The only agents I ever had dealings with were first class law men.

BattleRifleG3 · 11-15-2005, 10:08 PM

Time period may have something to do with it, as well as local agency personnel. As far as what sort of people are involved in the ATF, I've come to understand that the answer is "all of the above." Good folks, terrible folks, ones who know the law, and ones who clearly have no understanding or at least respect for their role in it.

I've never had any personal experience with them, except that my transfer dealer was completely ignored in his FFL renewal, such that it was a race against the calendar for my latest transfer to come in so I could get it before the FFL expired. They pay money and are required to operate their business in order to be eligible for the license, yet whoever pushes the papers didn't seem to care about doing their job. The dealer did his paperwork long beforehand.

Outriderdark · 11-15-2005, 10:47 PM

I met an ATF lady at my local dealer. Every 2 yrs or so, she goes through his paperwork. She seems alright, very nice and goes by the book.
I have a problem with authority, though, so I was still suspicious. LOL

BattleRifleG3 · 11-16-2005, 02:00 AM

My problems with the ATF have nothing to do with authority. I believe in limited authority, the problem with a number of folks in the ATF is acting as though they are above the law. A free society has laws that apply to government and citizens alike. We need laws and we need a government in order to protect freedom, but sometimes some agency of our government violates the laws, and the ATF is among the worst of these, in general. There are good and bad examples within the agency of course.

Outriderdark · 11-16-2005, 07:10 PM

I should say I have a problem with power and people with it.

ALR · 11-16-2005, 07:15 PM

Absolute power corrupts absolutly

Rave · 11-16-2005, 09:07 PM

Hank Springer · 11-17-2005, 03:08 PM

BattleRifle,
There are provisions within the law for your dealer to operate legally after the expiration of his old license and before the reissue. He's supposed to know that.

11-11-2005, 01:02 AM	#1
grndesert Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Harris Co. Texas Posts: 133	Just when you thought the day was good! And 2 ATF vans pull up! Was out about errands and such..When Iam driving by one of many gunshops I visit from time to time..And what did I see...... ATF vans being loaded with all the shops guns. That's all iam gonna say about that..... __________________ I Protect my 1st amendment right by my 2nd amendment right!! :guitar: :gangster:

11-11-2005, 06:48 AM	#3
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	They probably broke the law................. I am sure what ever reasons they were doing it were valid. __________________ Spocrest Out!.......... Last edited by SPOCAHP ANAR; 11-11-2005 at 07:00 AM.

11-12-2005, 09:15 AM	#6
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Yes, i am sure.... __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

11-15-2005, 03:27 PM	#13
Hank Springer Founding Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lauderdale County, Mississippi Posts: 149	In the many years I operated a firearms business I never had a problem with ATF. The only contacts I ever had with them were for the purpose of researching the history of guns that had passed through my hands. I kept my nose clean by operating within the law. I knew some others who became very familiar with the ATF as results of illegal firearms transfers. The only agents I ever had dealings with were first class law men. __________________ Hank

11-15-2005, 10:08 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,454 Images: 13	Time period may have something to do with it, as well as local agency personnel. As far as what sort of people are involved in the ATF, I've come to understand that the answer is "all of the above." Good folks, terrible folks, ones who know the law, and ones who clearly have no understanding or at least respect for their role in it. I've never had any personal experience with them, except that my transfer dealer was completely ignored in his FFL renewal, such that it was a race against the calendar for my latest transfer to come in so I could get it before the FFL expired. They pay money and are required to operate their business in order to be eligible for the license, yet whoever pushes the papers didn't seem to care about doing their job. The dealer did his paperwork long beforehand. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-11-2005, 02:08 AM	#2
Despoiler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California Posts: 2,232	That sucks!

11-11-2005, 09:53 AM	#4
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	Had a guy out here whose gun shop got burglerized a couple of years back. Unfortunately, some of the weapons he reported stolen were illegal in California, and maybe elsewhere too. I don't know the details, and I don't know how it came out, but his place is still shuttered. Guess he was stuck between a rock and a hard place: should he alert the gendarmerie that those weapons were now out and about in the hands of unsavory types, or keep his head low and hope nobody used them?

11-12-2005, 08:25 PM	#11
Thrawn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Okeefenokee Posts: 1,618 Images: 6	It's gonna be awhile before we see any gun "friendly" polititians in office.:nod:

11-15-2005, 10:47 PM	#15
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	I met an ATF lady at my local dealer. Every 2 yrs or so, she goes through his paperwork. She seems alright, very nice and goes by the book. I have a problem with authority, though, so I was still suspicious. LOL __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

11-16-2005, 02:00 AM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,454 Images: 13	My problems with the ATF have nothing to do with authority. I believe in limited authority, the problem with a number of folks in the ATF is acting as though they are above the law. A free society has laws that apply to government and citizens alike. We need laws and we need a government in order to protect freedom, but sometimes some agency of our government violates the laws, and the ATF is among the worst of these, in general. There are good and bad examples within the agency of course. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

11-16-2005, 07:10 PM	#17
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	I should say I have a problem with power and people with it. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

11-16-2005, 07:15 PM	#18
ALR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Eastern MO Posts: 184	Absolute power corrupts absolutly __________________ Hold on pardner,good things are coming to you! <--- Gittin to the gittin place.

11-16-2005, 09:07 PM	#19
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	__________________ USAF '62-'66 .

11-17-2005, 03:08 PM	#20
Hank Springer Founding Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lauderdale County, Mississippi Posts: 149	BattleRifle, There are provisions within the law for your dealer to operate legally after the expiration of his old license and before the reissue. He's supposed to know that. __________________ Hank