05-08-2006, 01:59 AM
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#41 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness. Master Gunsmith
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After shooting thousands of rounds of Steel cased Wolf ammo in my SKS and Ak47's and Steel cased ammo in my Dragunov I have come to the conclusion that there has been absolutely NO wear in the chambers of any of my guns due to the fact that barrel and chamber hardness is greater than the Softer steel used for cases. The cases will scratch and bend...The chambers do not!
I use precision Machinist Micrometers and have checked the chambers for wear to .0001 (thats 1/ten-thousandths of an inch) . Throat erosion after several thousand rounds has been Minimal as well so I am going to continue to shoot Wolf Ammo as well as Real Russian surplus Ammo . I will ask the Machine gun club members if they have any problem with the steel cased ammo when I get to the next shoot! They shoot Many more thousands of rounds in a weekend so they will know if anybody does about Problems!
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05-08-2006, 02:10 AM
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#42 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Occupied Territory of California
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I agree, I have shot thousands of rounds of wolf ammo and I have never seen any problem in my ruger mini-30. but maybe that is because thoses Ar-15 are such crappy guns.....
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05-08-2006, 02:24 AM
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#43 | | Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
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| ==== Wolf Ammo ====
I've used Wolf ammo in my Fe'g 9x18 9mm mak. PA 63.
I've never had a problem with them.
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05-08-2006, 09:18 AM
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#44 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Notice a trend in the replies? The guys who say they like Wolf have shot a lot of it. I.e., they have personal experience. The guys who don't like it base it on "some guy told me" or "I heard".
It worked fine in my AR and it's the most accurate ammo for my WWII Remington 1911A1. It is definitly loaded to full speed.  I also used it in the CMP pistol matches at Camp Perry last summer. Didn't win either, (obviously) but I would have made the President's 160  (the match is for 100) and would have placed in the points in the individual trophy match if I wasn't already distinguished.
Norm
Oh BTW, tighter chambers have tighter "clearances" not "tolerances". A loose chamber, well manufactured, may well have lower tolerance than a given run of match chambers where each one is slightly different and needs ammo matched to the indivdual chamber.
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05-08-2006, 09:31 AM
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#45 | | Firearm Aficionado
Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Georgia
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Oh yeah, I have shot TONS of wolf through my AK with no problems at all. I guess I should have mentioned that earlier |
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05-08-2006, 11:31 AM
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#46 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb 2006
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The majority of bad feedback I've read about the Wolf ammo stems from their steel cases, how about some reports on their brass casing ammo?
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05-08-2006, 12:34 PM
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#47 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida
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Originally Posted by nglitz | It worked fine in my AR and it's the most accurate ammo for my WWII Remington 1911A1. | Ya...I'm not so sure you wanna put that nasty ammo in your 1911A1. It might be accurate but it's gonna gunk the Heck out of it. Notice that smell when you shoot it compared to other brands? Not good for business
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05-08-2006, 03:06 PM
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#48 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ
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I have always used the 7.62x.39 Wolf and it treated me well. Sure, it may be a dirty round, but that is why I have a cleaning kit. They wouldn't be the largest ammo manufacturer in the world if their ammo didn't work.
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05-09-2006, 01:43 AM
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#49 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK
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wolf should not be looked at any different. people should clean with care after shooting ANY type of round, just to make sure of the 'health' of the gun
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05-09-2006, 01:50 PM
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#50 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida
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Duh!!! .
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05-09-2006, 06:21 PM
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#51 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK
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Originally Posted by Triplesixkoe in another thread you said no !!!! sherlock when someone was just stating another fact. then i see you accuse Jerry of having no sense of humor. now i am just stating a plain fact, and you always have some smartbehind comment. why dont you just leave if you cant say have a sense of humor or hear something you already know!?
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05-09-2006, 08:45 PM
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#52 | | Firearm Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by FutureMarine | or hear something you already know!? | I have to agree here, not everyone who visits this forum is an experienced shooter, I dare say many come here to get facts and info prior to buying their 1st firearm, or any other firearm related information they might need....
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05-09-2006, 09:00 PM
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#53 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, Florida
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Cool your jets guys...No need for horsin-around! Besides Future Marine...who made you Moderator for the day?What is this...Pick on Triplesixkoe day? 50% of things I say are jokes-have subtle humor and are not directly intended to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. So mind your beeswax scallywag!  (But seriously...common sense even tells you to clean your gun after every usage)
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05-09-2006, 10:02 PM
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#54 | | Retired Moderator
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I have been notified through proper channels to take a look at the direction this thread is going. After reviewing most of the reply's in this thread I find no serious problem other than an occasional personal comment which has no place in threads.
So...it would be wise to cut out personal attacks, stick strictly to facts and enjoy the opportunity to continue discussing pro's and con's of Wolf Ammo.:nod: :right:
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05-09-2006, 11:19 PM
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#55 | | Firearm Zealot
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i dont think it takes a moderator to keep peace, but i will, as well as everyone else should take Oxford's advice and just stick to facts
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05-10-2006, 01:46 AM
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#56 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pasco, Washington
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Its easy to offend people when they dont know the tone of your voice and face expressions, etc. and who cares its on the freaking internet.
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05-10-2006, 02:52 PM
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#57 | | Firearm Enthusiast
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado
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| Wolf is fine for plinking
I have bought 2000 rounds of wolf .223 ammo.
I shoot prairie dogs from my Savage Varmint .223.
Wolf *occasionally* has a batch that is somewhat accurate, but more often, I find it wildly inconsistent.
As an example, I shot 5 rounds of UMC bulk ammo and grouped ~3/4" at 100yds. I shot 5 rounds of Wolf, and the pattern was nearly 6".
I shot another 6 rounds of UMC just to make sure, and the pattern was back to ~3/4"
Wolf is fine for plinking if you don't care at all about accuracy and you just want to make noise, but if you intend to have any consistent accuracy my experience says stay away.
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05-10-2006, 03:15 PM
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#58 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ
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It can come and go I guess. I shoot really good groups with AKs using Wolf, but I would be hesitant to shoot Wolf through my 1911. My SKS with a scope shoots really accurate with Wolf ammo and never jams. That doesn't mean that I would want to shoot Wolf through all of my guns, but when it comes to 7.62x.39 it works well for me. Like I said before, they wouldn't be the world's largest ammo manufaturer if their stuff didn't go bang. Those Russians are good at shooting and killing.
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05-10-2006, 05:01 PM
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#59 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK
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Originally Posted by johnnyd73 | Wolf is fine for plinking if you don't care at all about accuracy and you just want to make noise, but if you intend to have any consistent accuracy my experience says stay away. | i ahve to agree. when i am just out having fun with family and freinds i will use wolf, but if i was out varmit hunting or cometition i would definitely go with something more quality. I really like the remington ammo. VERY accurate
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05-10-2006, 05:04 PM
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#60 | | Firearm Zealot
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ
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I am big a Remmington fan!!! I use nothing but Remmington in the 1911
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