Officer safety.

ash · 12-22-2005, 02:30 PM

READ THE STORY FIRST!
> OFFICER SAFETY: GA Deputy Shooting
> This was a sheriff's deputy in Georgia who had been on
> the job for six months and had attended no formal law
> enforcement training. The traffic stop goes south
> very quickly, and the Deputy rapidly looses control of
> the situation.
>
> You can only give a command so many times before you
> have to make a life and death situation, your own life
> or death. You clearly hear the killer state that he
> is a Vietnam Vet after he exits the vehicle. He
> returns to his truck and grabs an M-1 carbine. As the
> killer is loading the magazine, the Deputy orders him
> to put the weapon down, multiple times, and the
> Deputy's last chance to survive the encounter dwindles
> fast. Needless to say, lack of training and
> indecisiveness, on how to take control of the
> situation, cost this young officer his life.
>
> Deputy let the situation get out of control quickly.
> Words only go so far and his eventually just got him
> killed.
>
>
>
> Here's the video:
>
> http://www.floridastatepolice-rpg.co...ADEPUTY(2).wmv

dhermesc · 12-22-2005, 03:50 PM

About the time he said "I need help" he should have opened fire. But then that's easy enough for me to say from behind my keyboard.

I'm not clear on the "You clearly hear the killer state that he is a Vietnam Vet after he exits the vehicle" is that like announcing you are a member of the Crips?

troy2000 · 12-22-2005, 05:59 PM

Under those particular circumstances, I would say yes.

.22guy · 12-22-2005, 11:46 PM

That sucks. I can't believe he didn't shoot him. What did he think the guy was going to do with the rifle?

BIG"G" · 12-23-2005, 12:02 AM

Thats some scary $#*t. I dont always agree with cops opening fire because they feel they are in danger when the realy arent, but when you see the !!!! rifle and he's loading it in front of you, it should be an easy desicion.........light the !!!!!!! up!

Troy · 12-23-2005, 02:35 AM

i know that a lot of the members here are LEOs and retired or current military. me, i am just an armchair quarterback when it comes to this kind of situation. i would like to think i'd do the right thing, but who knows what the cop was thinking? he was not commited to taking a life in the name of the law, and he paid dearly. it shows the value of proper training though.

pball942 · 12-23-2005, 02:43 AM

What a tragic waste of life.

Dallas · 12-23-2005, 10:26 AM

I'll have to show this to my son. He has starting interviewing for LEO positions in the Delware, Maryland and Virginia areas.

Stopper · 12-23-2005, 12:21 PM

Cheese and rice - shoot the SOB already was all i could get out of my mouth. Dang shame.

Ctwo · 12-23-2005, 01:49 PM

I agree with Big"G"...but that deputy was not cop material.

Calvin · 12-25-2005, 10:57 PM

The deputys' name was Kyle Wayne Dinkheller. He was with the Laurens County Sheriffs Department for 4 YEARS. And, he HAD been through the academy. This happened 12JAN98.
No one knows for sure why Deputy Dinkheller didn't shoot, but it had been speculated that he hesitated because the suspect had not pointed the weapon at him UNTIL it was loaded. That was the training he had received, which has since been changed (Thank God!!).
It's true he waited too long. However, we can only speculate what was going through Kyles' mind. All I can say is that I was very sad when I saw this back in '00 and it still makes me sad.
This can be armchair quarterbacked all day long, but the story still ends the same. An officer lost his life in a grisly manner and we are left to learn from his mistake. (The perp recieved a death sentence 20JAN00)
I wish I could find it online, but the one video that is an absolute MUST-SEE is the Trooper Mark Coates video. He was a South Carolina State Trooper who was killed by a motorist high on pot. Talk about horrible! You see the entire scene as it unfolds, and you see Trooper Coates die from blood loss on camera. It is disturbing to watch, especially when you hear Trooper Coates screaming for help and watch him die right before your eyes. Then, when they play the prison interview of the perp 3 years after his sentence (life with no parole), I can guarantee you will want to shoot your TV set!!

Apollyon67 · 12-26-2005, 08:11 PM

Sad day for the family and friends of this officer. I am glad they have changed the training.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas

I'll have to show this to my son. He has starting interviewing for LEO positions in the Delware, Maryland and Virginia areas.

PS. Dallas, Charles County Sherrifs Dept. is looking for good candidates. PM me if you want more info.

12-22-2005, 02:30 PM	#1
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	Officer safety. READ THE STORY FIRST! > OFFICER SAFETY: GA Deputy Shooting > This was a sheriff's deputy in Georgia who had been on > the job for six months and had attended no formal law > enforcement training. The traffic stop goes south > very quickly, and the Deputy rapidly looses control of > the situation. > > You can only give a command so many times before you > have to make a life and death situation, your own life > or death. You clearly hear the killer state that he > is a Vietnam Vet after he exits the vehicle. He > returns to his truck and grabs an M-1 carbine. As the > killer is loading the magazine, the Deputy orders him > to put the weapon down, multiple times, and the > Deputy's last chance to survive the encounter dwindles > fast. Needless to say, lack of training and > indecisiveness, on how to take control of the > situation, cost this young officer his life. > > Deputy let the situation get out of control quickly. > Words only go so far and his eventually just got him > killed. > > > > Here's the video: > > http://www.floridastatepolice-rpg.co...ADEPUTY(2).wmv

12-22-2005, 03:50 PM	#2
dhermesc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: East Central Kansas Posts: 1,762	About the time he said "I need help" he should have opened fire. But then that's easy enough for me to say from behind my keyboard. I'm not clear on the "You clearly hear the killer state that he is a Vietnam Vet after he exits the vehicle" is that like announcing you are a member of the Crips? __________________ Liberty is for those that claim it.

12-23-2005, 02:35 AM	#6
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,505 Images: 3	i know that a lot of the members here are LEOs and retired or current military. me, i am just an armchair quarterback when it comes to this kind of situation. i would like to think i'd do the right thing, but who knows what the cop was thinking? he was not commited to taking a life in the name of the law, and he paid dearly. it shows the value of proper training though. Last edited by Troy; 12-23-2005 at 02:56 AM.

12-23-2005, 02:43 AM	#7
pball942 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 256	What a tragic waste of life. __________________ Running is not a plan. Running is what you do when your plan fails.

12-23-2005, 12:21 PM	#9
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,212 Images: 1	Cheese and rice - shoot the SOB already was all i could get out of my mouth. Dang shame. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

12-22-2005, 05:59 PM	#3
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	Under those particular circumstances, I would say yes.

12-22-2005, 11:46 PM	#4
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,255	That sucks. I can't believe he didn't shoot him. What did he think the guy was going to do with the rifle?

12-23-2005, 12:02 AM	#5
BIG"G" Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SOUTHERN CALI Posts: 10	Thats some scary $#*t. I dont always agree with cops opening fire because they feel they are in danger when the realy arent, but when you see the !!!! rifle and he's loading it in front of you, it should be an easy desicion.........light the !!!!!!! up!

12-23-2005, 10:26 AM	#8
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,609	I'll have to show this to my son. He has starting interviewing for LEO positions in the Delware, Maryland and Virginia areas.

12-23-2005, 01:49 PM	#10
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	I agree with Big"G"...but that deputy was not cop material.

12-25-2005, 10:57 PM	#11
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,038	The deputys' name was Kyle Wayne Dinkheller. He was with the Laurens County Sheriffs Department for 4 YEARS. And, he HAD been through the academy. This happened 12JAN98. No one knows for sure why Deputy Dinkheller didn't shoot, but it had been speculated that he hesitated because the suspect had not pointed the weapon at him UNTIL it was loaded. That was the training he had received, which has since been changed (Thank God!!). It's true he waited too long. However, we can only speculate what was going through Kyles' mind. All I can say is that I was very sad when I saw this back in '00 and it still makes me sad. This can be armchair quarterbacked all day long, but the story still ends the same. An officer lost his life in a grisly manner and we are left to learn from his mistake. (The perp recieved a death sentence 20JAN00) I wish I could find it online, but the one video that is an absolute MUST-SEE is the Trooper Mark Coates video. He was a South Carolina State Trooper who was killed by a motorist high on pot. Talk about horrible! You see the entire scene as it unfolds, and you see Trooper Coates die from blood loss on camera. It is disturbing to watch, especially when you hear Trooper Coates screaming for help and watch him die right before your eyes. Then, when they play the prison interview of the perp 3 years after his sentence (life with no parole), I can guarantee you will want to shoot your TV set!!