Let's Talk About Our Country

troy2000 · 01-17-2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

I'm wondering if the new law in kalifrnica which prohibits guns within the city will stand. will it be challenged?

Yes it'll get challenged, and it'll get thrown out. The good city fathers knew that going in; they say they're just trying to make a 'statement.'.

toolman · 01-18-2006, 01:46 AM

Getting back to the original intent of this thread, mostly because I've been driving\flying all over the U.S. and Canada and missed all the fun, as usual, I have a few comments!

1. I am a supporter of our president, BUT, I think he's made several tactical errors as of late-especially concerning our borders.
2. Anyone who discounts the threat that we face from terrorism should be forced to dig for remaining body parts at the WTC site.
3. Yes, there are some "good" muslims! Unfortunately, they care much more for our aid money than for the welfare of the people who provide it!
4. Dennis might be a little over-zealous, BUT, as someone who tends to get somewhat passionate about things that I truly care about, I can appreciate that!
5. IF it comes down to an "us against them" situation, I vote for US every time.
6. Most muslims receive their education in religious schools ran by mullahs who tend to teach whatever their personal beleifs are-most of them absolutely HATE\DESPISE Americans.
7. Many muslim children beleive that killing Americans is a good thing-bad for us!
8.Congress granted our president the authority to use any means necessary to stop terrorism,and, have known about the domestic spying program from the start, why are they just now complaining about it?
9.Personally, I could not care less about some government geek knowing what I read, who my friends are, or what we talk about-of course, I don't associate with terrorists!
10. People are complaining about the lack of a warrant before instituting wiretaps-would a warrant change ANYTHING about said wiretap, other than putting the decision in someone else's hands?
11.Our country has had problems since day one, the difference between us and the rest of the world is that we actually have a say in what happens! That should not be used as an excuse to constantly carp\whine and try to undermine our commander-in-chief while he is office. If you have a serious problem, vote him out in the next election. If he wins again, shut up about it!
12. Every man, woman, and child, needs to stop all of the Monday morning quarter-backing and get involved in the governance of our country. We have a LOT of corrupt politicians that need to be removed and replaced through thoughtful selection, not knee-jerk voting.
13. I'm sure I'll think of more but I'm going to bed!

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-19-2006, 09:38 AM

Good night, sir.

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 05:51 PM

"That should not be used as an excuse to constantly carp\whine and try to undermine our commander-in-chief while he is office. If you have a serious problem, vote him out in the next election. If he wins again, shut up about it!"

?!!!?

Sorry, Toolman. The fact that someone wins an election (in spite of my vote against him) does not obligate me to shut up. And it makes no sense for me to meekly "support" him if he has his head up his tail.

Nor did Congress grant Bush "the authority to use any means necessary to stop terrorism." Unless I missed the coronation ceremony where he was crowned King Dubya the First, he's still obligated to follow the law of the land.

If our laws and system of government are so weak and useless that they have to be thrown out the window so we can cope with a relative handful of raghead fanatics, how the (bleep) have we survived for two hundred plus years?

And if Bush has his priorities straight, why is it we dragged Saddam Hussein out of his barnyard rathole in a few months, but Osama Bin Laden has been running loose for five years? Maybe we should have concentrated on Al Queda after they blew up the Twin Towers, instead of sidetracking into Iraq.

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 05:58 PM

Or maybe even concentrating on Al Queda BEFORE the Trade Center came down.
Mr Bush and his cabinet were advised repeatedly by the outgoing administration that Al Queda was the gretest current threat to US national security - a clear and present danger - and should be priority number one.
He and they literally blew them off and paid virtually no attention to terrorism prior to 9/11.

toolman · 01-19-2006, 08:17 PM

If the outgoing administration was so concerned about them, why didn't they do anything about them, especially after Bin Laden was practically handed to Herr Klinton on a silver platter? I'm not trying to start any fights here, but George W. Bush is not the source of all evil in this country! Both sides are full of corruption and graft and I fear the only way to cure it is a total house-cleaning\overhaul of our whole government but that's not likely to happen in my lifetime.

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 08:55 PM

I agree that a "new broom sweeps clean" and we need that in politics. I also was no fan of Clinton or his wishy washy foreign policy (although statistically he did use the military more times than most presidents, it was often to no end). However, in fairness the Clinton administration did treat terrorism as the national security priority. Clinton sites not killing Bin Laden as his biggest mistake.
But what I said was true. They presented the Bush administration with the prospect that global terror was the greatest danger and they snickered and forgot about it.
I didn't say Bush was evil. But he is the President and the President steers policy. So the buck stops on his desk. Both parties have a share in blame for where we are, but he is the President.
The assertion that they should have taken care of Bin Laden is true, but so should have this adminstration.

Rave · 01-19-2006, 09:11 PM

:ballons: :spaceship

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

I agree that a "new broom sweeps clean" and we need that in politics. I also was no fan of Clinton or his wishy washy foreign policy (although statistically he did use the military more times than most presidents, it was often to no end). However, in fairness the Clinton administration did treat terrorism as the national security priority. Clinton sites not killing Bin Laden as his biggest mistake.
But what I said was true. They presented the Bush administration with the prospect that global terror was the greatest danger and they snickered and forgot about it.
I didn't say Bush was evil. But he is the President and the President steers policy. So the buck stops on his desk. Both parties have a share in blame for where we are, but he is the President.
The assertion that they should have taken care of Bin Laden is true, but so should have this adminstration.

But he hasn't been president for years now.

I've read and heard that when Clinton officials tried to brief the incoming guys about Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda, they regularly got brushed off with, "Yes, yes, very interesting. Now what about Saddam Hussein?"

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 10:12 PM

I'm not sure I understand, troy2000. I think we're on the same page. I was pointing a finger at the current administration. The way I worded my response to toolman wasn't clear. Sorry about that.

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

I'm not sure I understand, troy2000. I think we're on the same page. I was pointing a finger at the current administration. The way I worded my response to toolman wasn't clear. Sorry about that.

And kind of referencing the earlier posts at the same time. Guess I could've been clearer about that...

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 10:48 PM

Ok, I'm a tard. Sorry.

Dennis · 01-20-2006, 09:28 AM

It took 2 (TWO) World Wars last century to stop the Germans (and friends) and 43 years of cold war to stop the Soviets.

I hope it doesnt take that, this century, to stop the muslims.

With so much of our hand wringing and self blaming
it probably will.

You Know that down in your guts, thats why my voicing it upsets you so much.

Bewailing my suggestions as completly inappropriate only shows, how so many Americans are not Emotionally prepared to do what is necessary To achieve true victory.
I undestand that.
most everyone cant wrap their brains around this yet.
(not thinking big enough)
The Muslim problem will become much larger and more dangerous than the Fachists/Nazis/Communists ever where.
Their whole idea is identical.
"make everyone believe the way we do, and kill those that do not accept us"

It has a familuar ring to doesnt it fellas?
I shure hope President Bush gets a handle on this, I Think he is doing the best he can while being burdened with So many complainers..........

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-20-2006, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

"That should not be used as an excuse to constantly carp\whine and try to undermine our commander-in-chief while he is office. If you have a serious problem, vote him out in the next election. If he wins again, shut up about it!"

?!!!?

Sorry, Toolman. The fact that someone wins an election (in spite of my vote against him) does not obligate me to shut up. And it makes no sense for me to meekly "support" him if he has his head up his tail.

Nor did Congress grant Bush "the authority to use any means necessary to stop terrorism." Unless I missed the coronation ceremony where he was crowned King Dubya the First, he's still obligated to follow the law of the land.

If our laws and system of government are so weak and useless that they have to be thrown out the window so we can cope with a relative handful of raghead fanatics, how the (bleep) have we survived for two hundred plus years?

And if Bush has his priorities straight, why is it we dragged Saddam Hussein out of his barnyard rathole in a few months, but Osama Bin Laden has been running loose for five years? Maybe we should have concentrated on Al Queda after they blew up the Twin Towers, instead of sidetracking into Iraq.

Thank you, Troy 2000! I confess, I did vote for bushy and co. both times. I regret both votes more than you could imagine. however, on the flip side, i guess i had no choice, either time.....algore....nah.....liar kerry...nah....so there was no one to vote for but, bush has been, and continues to get even worse each day that passes! yesterday, google....rights/freedom stealing! today, binladen bull#%$^ lies to fool the public to let him steal more rights. The coincidence is just too much for me.:joker: if i vote dem next time it's bush and company's fault....they drove me to it with thier constant lies and half-truths. They have no shame....as bad, if not worse than the dems.:joker:

Rave · 01-20-2006, 10:24 AM

I have never voted Democrat in my life,but darned if it doesn't look like the inmates are running the asylum!

sideout_ds · 01-20-2006, 12:55 PM

I'm new here i read this whole thread about 2 days ago and wanted to reply but couldn't until now because of the registering process. i found an article in a backwoods home magazine about the best and worst presidents. I think i'll post that here. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/silveira49.html
I love the USA. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I think the us has been going down the wrong road for some time now. I too voted for bush, he was better than the other choices we've had, in my opinion. The patriot act is just the next step in letting the government take our rights. It's not the first of its kind and won't be the last. We the citizens have not been doing what we should to stop it. They take away rights all the time n do it little by little so we don't notice it so much. Over the past say 150 years.
I also think the morales of this country has gone down the drain. Living in south mississippi and having gone through hurricane katrina i see what ppl r willing to do to other ppl for a bag of ice, or 5 gallons of gas. In a matter of days ppl in my area ( a small percentage) acted like animals. Just think if we would've not been able to get gas, ice or food for say 3 weeks. I'd say a majority of the ppl that acted like that were ppl that lived off the government in the first place. A good percentage of ppl here say 25 % won't work because they see it as a threat to there "benefits". My grandmother ownes a store here n i lived with my grandma growing up and have worked in the store off n on my entire life. Probably around 65% of our grocery sales is from food stamps.
I just wanted to shed a lil light on some of the problems not related to our foreign policy inside the us. The welfare program, the shredding of our constitution by our government, immigration just to name a few.
If we go to war is Iran, I think it'll be a huge mistake. Maybe we should all start reading the endtimes report. (www.endtimesreport.com)

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-23-2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rave

I have never voted Democrat in my life,but darned if it doesn't look like the inmates are running the asylum!

:joker: But, he's really getting good at it now...lots of practice, i guess.

Beer Forever · 01-23-2006, 03:07 PM

Let's just all get along and tablw dances for everyone.:guitar:

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-24-2006, 02:54 PM

can i touch? here you can't touch and you can't have beer or smoke. it's no fun anymore.....

GunBanLand · 01-26-2006, 09:02 PM

It is a great land but it's Government is doing us wrong daily by spreading a fear campaign and ignoring the real problems we face. What is being done about Illegal Immigration? It is rampant with the illegals having more rights and benefits then those born here. Along with Mexicans crossing our borders up from Mexico there are Guatemaleans, Chileans, El Salvadorians, Puerto Ricans, and at least 5 other nationalities we here in California see.
I pose this question to everyone. Is homeland security being done? Is it hard to ponder that these supposed terrorists who want to strike inside the US do not see the same open window of travel into the country as the other Immigrants?
Our system and General Fund are collapsing. Our schools are overrun by second and third languages which slows down our kids learning process. Trauma Centers are closing down at a blinding rate. They are going broke from giving free medical to the immigrants who are too stupid to realize you should not drink and drive then get into accidents, or get pregnant knowing you have no insurance or means to pay for the delivery, or have diseases and other ailments they came here with but are treated here for free, rather on our tax dollar. The Mexican women come here then have kids which in case you did not know allows them Green Card and a paycheck every month from our Government for each child. Along with that they get State aid, free medical, and food coupons. Each Mexican female you see pushing each of her 6 kids is getting paid to populate here. And where do you think the money comes from? You tax dollars is where.
Last time I looked I had to work and pay my own way in this world. The kids grow up with no parental guidance and become the street criminals in gangs we see all over the place. The men sneak here across the borders and use some decent tax payers SS # and screw the system up even worse.
I am not interested in the civil rigts end of all of this as I see it this way. If I ran down to mexico what can I get from that Government? Nothing! Let's be fair about it fellas. If we break the law we are punished, they broke the law by sneaking in the country illegaly and they are rewrded?
We turn to our Government for a cure and get none. We can not fix it ourselves or we are called Racisits and accused of not being sensitive to thier civil rights? If there was a dime to be made keeping them out of our country you can bet our Government would be all over it. Instead they allow it to continue at the cost of our livelyhood.
If you say the Mexicans do jobs nobody else does? Well who did them before Americans got so lazy? And why are Americans hiring illegals? Cheap labor to make a buck since our Government seems unable to constuct a decent economy?
With Social Security such a joke why is it so hard to get the people who are raping the nation to work for it? Why is it the burden of the tax payer to pay? If we have to pay I think we should be entitled to the right to voice our opinions yet we voted here in California to overwhelmingly pass Prop 187 which 15 or so years later is still hung up in the courts due to the same civil rights whiners that are now furnishing maps to the illegals to safely make it here illegaly? Why don't we just hand them our house keys with the maps?
Just wait all you other 49 states, California is full and brimming to capacity. The problem is heading your way like a wildfire out of control and soon you will start seeing more and more illegals among yourselves. The problem is ruining the country and I see it as the single major economic drain on the country other than the inflated salaries our Government is taking for not doing the job.
But we have the best !!!! cockpit doors in the business.
Food for thought?

01-18-2006, 01:46 AM	#182
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,852 Blog Entries: 24	Getting back to the original intent of this thread, mostly because I've been driving\flying all over the U.S. and Canada and missed all the fun, as usual, I have a few comments! 1. I am a supporter of our president, BUT, I think he's made several tactical errors as of late-especially concerning our borders. 2. Anyone who discounts the threat that we face from terrorism should be forced to dig for remaining body parts at the WTC site. 3. Yes, there are some "good" muslims! Unfortunately, they care much more for our aid money than for the welfare of the people who provide it! 4. Dennis might be a little over-zealous, BUT, as someone who tends to get somewhat passionate about things that I truly care about, I can appreciate that! 5. IF it comes down to an "us against them" situation, I vote for US every time. 6. Most muslims receive their education in religious schools ran by mullahs who tend to teach whatever their personal beleifs are-most of them absolutely HATE\DESPISE Americans. 7. Many muslim children beleive that killing Americans is a good thing-bad for us! 8.Congress granted our president the authority to use any means necessary to stop terrorism,and, have known about the domestic spying program from the start, why are they just now complaining about it? 9.Personally, I could not care less about some government geek knowing what I read, who my friends are, or what we talk about-of course, I don't associate with terrorists! 10. People are complaining about the lack of a warrant before instituting wiretaps-would a warrant change ANYTHING about said wiretap, other than putting the decision in someone else's hands? 11.Our country has had problems since day one, the difference between us and the rest of the world is that we actually have a say in what happens! That should not be used as an excuse to constantly carp\whine and try to undermine our commander-in-chief while he is office. If you have a serious problem, vote him out in the next election. If he wins again, shut up about it! 12. Every man, woman, and child, needs to stop all of the Monday morning quarter-backing and get involved in the governance of our country. We have a LOT of corrupt politicians that need to be removed and replaced through thoughtful selection, not knee-jerk voting. 13. I'm sure I'll think of more but I'm going to bed! __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

01-19-2006, 09:38 AM	#183
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Good night, sir. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-19-2006, 05:51 PM	#184
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	"That should not be used as an excuse to constantly carp\whine and try to undermine our commander-in-chief while he is office. If you have a serious problem, vote him out in the next election. If he wins again, shut up about it!" ?!!!? Sorry, Toolman. The fact that someone wins an election (in spite of my vote against him) does not obligate me to shut up. And it makes no sense for me to meekly "support" him if he has his head up his tail. Nor did Congress grant Bush "the authority to use any means necessary to stop terrorism." Unless I missed the coronation ceremony where he was crowned King Dubya the First, he's still obligated to follow the law of the land. If our laws and system of government are so weak and useless that they have to be thrown out the window so we can cope with a relative handful of raghead fanatics, how the (bleep) have we survived for two hundred plus years? And if Bush has his priorities straight, why is it we dragged Saddam Hussein out of his barnyard rathole in a few months, but Osama Bin Laden has been running loose for five years? Maybe we should have concentrated on Al Queda after they blew up the Twin Towers, instead of sidetracking into Iraq. Last edited by troy2000; 01-19-2006 at 09:12 PM.

01-19-2006, 05:58 PM	#185
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	Or maybe even concentrating on Al Queda BEFORE the Trade Center came down. Mr Bush and his cabinet were advised repeatedly by the outgoing administration that Al Queda was the gretest current threat to US national security - a clear and present danger - and should be priority number one. He and they literally blew them off and paid virtually no attention to terrorism prior to 9/11. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 08:17 PM	#186
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,852 Blog Entries: 24	If the outgoing administration was so concerned about them, why didn't they do anything about them, especially after Bin Laden was practically handed to Herr Klinton on a silver platter? I'm not trying to start any fights here, but George W. Bush is not the source of all evil in this country! Both sides are full of corruption and graft and I fear the only way to cure it is a total house-cleaning\overhaul of our whole government but that's not likely to happen in my lifetime. __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

01-19-2006, 08:55 PM	#187
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	I agree that a "new broom sweeps clean" and we need that in politics. I also was no fan of Clinton or his wishy washy foreign policy (although statistically he did use the military more times than most presidents, it was often to no end). However, in fairness the Clinton administration did treat terrorism as the national security priority. Clinton sites not killing Bin Laden as his biggest mistake. But what I said was true. They presented the Bush administration with the prospect that global terror was the greatest danger and they snickered and forgot about it. I didn't say Bush was evil. But he is the President and the President steers policy. So the buck stops on his desk. Both parties have a share in blame for where we are, but he is the President. The assertion that they should have taken care of Bin Laden is true, but so should have this adminstration. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 09:11 PM	#188
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	:ballons: :spaceship __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-19-2006, 10:12 PM	#190
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	I'm not sure I understand, troy2000. I think we're on the same page. I was pointing a finger at the current administration. The way I worded my response to toolman wasn't clear. Sorry about that. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 10:48 PM	#192
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	Ok, I'm a tard. Sorry. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-20-2006, 09:28 AM	#193
Dennis Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,882	It took 2 (TWO) World Wars last century to stop the Germans (and friends) and 43 years of cold war to stop the Soviets. I hope it doesnt take that, this century, to stop the muslims. With so much of our hand wringing and self blaming it probably will. You Know that down in your guts, thats why my voicing it upsets you so much. Bewailing my suggestions as completly inappropriate only shows, how so many Americans are not Emotionally prepared to do what is necessary To achieve true victory. I undestand that. most everyone cant wrap their brains around this yet. (not thinking big enough) The Muslim problem will become much larger and more dangerous than the Fachists/Nazis/Communists ever where. Their whole idea is identical. "make everyone believe the way we do, and kill those that do not accept us" It has a familuar ring to doesnt it fellas? I shure hope President Bush gets a handle on this, I Think he is doing the best he can while being burdened with So many complainers.......... __________________ Submitted with respect to all

01-20-2006, 10:24 AM	#195
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	I have never voted Democrat in my life,but darned if it doesn't look like the inmates are running the asylum! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-20-2006, 12:55 PM	#196
sideout_ds Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 7	I'm new here i read this whole thread about 2 days ago and wanted to reply but couldn't until now because of the registering process. i found an article in a backwoods home magazine about the best and worst presidents. I think i'll post that here. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/silveira49.html I love the USA. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. I think the us has been going down the wrong road for some time now. I too voted for bush, he was better than the other choices we've had, in my opinion. The patriot act is just the next step in letting the government take our rights. It's not the first of its kind and won't be the last. We the citizens have not been doing what we should to stop it. They take away rights all the time n do it little by little so we don't notice it so much. Over the past say 150 years. I also think the morales of this country has gone down the drain. Living in south mississippi and having gone through hurricane katrina i see what ppl r willing to do to other ppl for a bag of ice, or 5 gallons of gas. In a matter of days ppl in my area ( a small percentage) acted like animals. Just think if we would've not been able to get gas, ice or food for say 3 weeks. I'd say a majority of the ppl that acted like that were ppl that lived off the government in the first place. A good percentage of ppl here say 25 % won't work because they see it as a threat to there "benefits". My grandmother ownes a store here n i lived with my grandma growing up and have worked in the store off n on my entire life. Probably around 65% of our grocery sales is from food stamps. I just wanted to shed a lil light on some of the problems not related to our foreign policy inside the us. The welfare program, the shredding of our constitution by our government, immigration just to name a few. If we go to war is Iran, I think it'll be a huge mistake. Maybe we should all start reading the endtimes report. (www.endtimesreport.com)

01-23-2006, 03:07 PM	#198
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	Let's just all get along and tablw dances for everyone.:guitar: __________________ Paramedic sks forever

01-24-2006, 02:54 PM	#199
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	can i touch? here you can't touch and you can't have beer or smoke. it's no fun anymore..... __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-26-2006, 09:02 PM	#200
GunBanLand Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 21	My two pesos? It is a great land but it's Government is doing us wrong daily by spreading a fear campaign and ignoring the real problems we face. What is being done about Illegal Immigration? It is rampant with the illegals having more rights and benefits then those born here. Along with Mexicans crossing our borders up from Mexico there are Guatemaleans, Chileans, El Salvadorians, Puerto Ricans, and at least 5 other nationalities we here in California see. I pose this question to everyone. Is homeland security being done? Is it hard to ponder that these supposed terrorists who want to strike inside the US do not see the same open window of travel into the country as the other Immigrants? Our system and General Fund are collapsing. Our schools are overrun by second and third languages which slows down our kids learning process. Trauma Centers are closing down at a blinding rate. They are going broke from giving free medical to the immigrants who are too stupid to realize you should not drink and drive then get into accidents, or get pregnant knowing you have no insurance or means to pay for the delivery, or have diseases and other ailments they came here with but are treated here for free, rather on our tax dollar. The Mexican women come here then have kids which in case you did not know allows them Green Card and a paycheck every month from our Government for each child. Along with that they get State aid, free medical, and food coupons. Each Mexican female you see pushing each of her 6 kids is getting paid to populate here. And where do you think the money comes from? You tax dollars is where. Last time I looked I had to work and pay my own way in this world. The kids grow up with no parental guidance and become the street criminals in gangs we see all over the place. The men sneak here across the borders and use some decent tax payers SS # and screw the system up even worse. I am not interested in the civil rigts end of all of this as I see it this way. If I ran down to mexico what can I get from that Government? Nothing! Let's be fair about it fellas. If we break the law we are punished, they broke the law by sneaking in the country illegaly and they are rewrded? We turn to our Government for a cure and get none. We can not fix it ourselves or we are called Racisits and accused of not being sensitive to thier civil rights? If there was a dime to be made keeping them out of our country you can bet our Government would be all over it. Instead they allow it to continue at the cost of our livelyhood. If you say the Mexicans do jobs nobody else does? Well who did them before Americans got so lazy? And why are Americans hiring illegals? Cheap labor to make a buck since our Government seems unable to constuct a decent economy? With Social Security such a joke why is it so hard to get the people who are raping the nation to work for it? Why is it the burden of the tax payer to pay? If we have to pay I think we should be entitled to the right to voice our opinions yet we voted here in California to overwhelmingly pass Prop 187 which 15 or so years later is still hung up in the courts due to the same civil rights whiners that are now furnishing maps to the illegals to safely make it here illegaly? Why don't we just hand them our house keys with the maps? Just wait all you other 49 states, California is full and brimming to capacity. The problem is heading your way like a wildfire out of control and soon you will start seeing more and more illegals among yourselves. The problem is ruining the country and I see it as the single major economic drain on the country other than the inflated salaries our Government is taking for not doing the job. But we have the best !!!! cockpit doors in the business. Food for thought?