Let's Talk About Our Country

[Beer Forever]

I will be the first to say that I love my country. I truly love it with all my heart. Let us not confuse the word country with government. I hate our government!! That does not make me a bad guy or un-patriotic in any way. I know many people are going to say bad stuff about me and my comment, but I don't care.

[iflylow74]

Just read Ken Hamblin's book "Pick a Better Country" and I highly recommend it. I agree with his title! Our country is like no other in that someone who wants to be sucessfull can be, if he's willing to work for it. Our country does have it's share of problems but none are too large for us to overcome. During the Civil War, we were killing each other over ideas, if we can make it through that, I believe we can make it through anything! To make it short and sweet, IMO we as Americans have inherited freedom, a standard of living and a country like no other in human history and it is up to us to leave it better than we found it to our kids.:guitar:

[iflylow74]

Originally Posted by sks forever

I will be the first to say that I love my country. I truly love it with all my heart. Let us not confuse the word country with government. I hate our government!! That does not make me a bad guy or un-patriotic in any way. I know many people are going to say bad stuff about me and my comment, but I don't care.

Totally agreed!:right:

[Beer Forever]

And I agree with what you said about our inherited responsibility. You are a smart man.

[poison]

I believe It was said in the 60s LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

[Outriderdark]

Dennis,
I'm not sure who you are reacting to. You're responding to things that weren't said.
I think you are also failing to see that all Muslims aren't Arab and all Arabs aren't Muslim.

Originally Posted by Dennis

We humans will either continue to advance or we will not
That is what the war is over.

I don't even want to know what you mean by that.

I like intelligent debate and nothing is more American than polar opposites engaging in a war of words.
But what you keep repeating is just not true. It is a lie.
I'm not saying it's your lie, I don't believe you are a liar.
It is an insidious and perpetrated lie that feeds on itself.
You're afraid and worried and feel helpless. There doesn't seem to be anything you can do to allay those fears.
Just like the rest of us.
So you buy into the lie abandoning critical and rational thought for simple problems with simple solutions. It feels like a more tenable situation that way. But it's still a lie. And waving the Stars and Stripes doesn't make it true. Nor does repetition.
Reality, my friend is a complicated thing. And the fantasy is in thinking it is all so simple.

[Oxford]

I find myself laughing out loud as I read UKFoxHunter's post. I'd give it a 9.9 out of 10 as the most accurate ...and most humorous post on G&G today. He said:

Just coming back on topic, i dont no if im the only guy from the uk but firstly..... F*ck you Tony Blair, your a conning, hipocrit who wants only but power and nothing to back it up.
I no that every time i step out of the house im gonna be taxed for something, where does it all go.. Tony Blairs Condom Bill.....
Wankewrs the lot of them, Apologies for the swearing, bit id come and kip round any of yours anyday.,
regards
One Strong Sad !!! Brit.!!!!!!!!!1

If only we could get that kind of humor in the "Humor Forum."
Ox

[Dennis]

Whew! I guess I have been on a rampage
Ok
Fellas,
First Off I am not comeing from guilt based thinking
I am not guilty of Anything
I KNOW that WE as a nation are not guilty of ANYTHING
the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars in aid spent to asuage the percieved guilt is All wasted money IMHO
I have Zero interst in What those people think about our country
They Hate US allready
So What!
it is beyond trying to win hearts and minds
has been for a long time.
It is weakness to even think that way.

They are counting on American self inflicted guilt

I refuse to think that way.

Because I and We as a nation Are NOT Guilty
SEE, when you start quoting history claiming we are guilty of (fill in the blank)
THAT is Contrived guilt.
The "we are guilty of (fill in the blank)" culture is Silly Bull Chit.
Every movie and TV show seems to have the same story,
"we did something bad a long time ago and now that is why something bad is happening to us now"
I Do not subscribe to this thinking
I Refuse to.
All this self loathing that We Americans have heaped upon ourselves has tought the rest of the world to hate us as well.
It is STUPID

They need to concern themselves with how WE think of Them
Not the other way around.

The only way for that to happen is we must CONQUER THEM
We must, there is no Alternative.
In All of Human history Limited Warfare has never worked
War between humans is as old as the species
We are in a WAR
There are only TWO choices
Win or Loose
And if we aint winnin, we are loosing
There is No middle.
The idea that there is some sort of "middle ground"
is Completly Wrong.
Ya cant get people to change the way they think, You can only kill them.
That is What War is all about.
those that survive the experience of being conquered either choose to shut the !!!! up and persue other interests
or get killed.
We must CONQUER The MUSLIMS
or they will eventually conquer US and the World
There is No middle.
Now with modern weapons
it is still very possible for the muslim terrorists to cause incredible destruction
no one wants to even admit that
Because if they do then just the threat is plenty justification for All we have done and actually justification for much more.
the Threat of WMDs' is still real.
the denial of it is just political opposition to a succesful American Action.
and a successful American President.
Ya know how WE know that the war has been incredibly successful so far?
Because we havent had ANOTHER attack
Sometimes I feel like I am in a world where everyone has gone back too sleep............
I am not Asleep
The course of action is completly clear.
We MUST WIN The War
This War against the Muslims will become the largest endevor in Human History.
and we may loose,
everyone has this pangenic arrogance believing that "those little terrorists" cannot hurt us.
they can, and Will.
they are supported by hundreds of millions of MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To win, We will eventually HAVE to Do what Must be done.

Sorry, to bother you with such a large lump of truth,
go back to bed, and dream of your child scoring the winning goal in the big soccer game, and maybe throw in a few sugar plumbs............

[Outriderdark]

Again, you seem to be addressing things that were never said
And again you keep repeating the same diatribe with no solid reasoning to support it.
And again you don't acknowlege or respond to what has actually been said.
It's impossible to reason with an unreasonable man, so I will stop trying.
I only hope and pray that the Representatives and Senators from Washington State aren't as magisterial and irrational.

[FutureMarine]

Originally Posted by FutureMarine

True, ALL muslims are our enemies, IF they(all muslims) are not standing up for their "peaceful religion". However, if there are more Muslims standing up(wich they are not-not enough are) for what they say they believe in, they will indeed be our enemies(ALL). We need to see more Anti-radicals in America and the rest of the world, and ESPECIALLY other Muslims.

I made a typing mistake...I said "However, if there are more Muslims standing up(wich they are not-not enough are) for what they say they believe in, they will indeed be our enemies(ALL)."

The one little mistake changed totally what i was saying...I should have said "However, if there are more Muslims standing up(wich they are not-not enough are) for what they say they believe in, they will not all be our enemies as an entire religion. but again i understand that there are some Muslims that want us to win, because they want peace for their family just as much as we want it for us. I am saying also that i want to see more compatibility from Muslims that are IN THE LINE OF FIRE between us and Radicals, or else they are no help to us, and should therefore not be looked at as freinds(those individuals)

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

Again, you seem to be addressing things that were never said
And again you keep repeating the same diatribe with no solid reasoning to support it.
And again you don't acknowlege or respond to what has actually been said.
It's impossible to reason with an unreasonable man, so I will stop trying.
I only hope and pray that the Representatives and Senators from Washington State aren't as magisterial and irrational.

When you stop arguing and attack your opponent you have capitulated

I accept you capitulation.

We CAN talk about something else,

[Outriderdark]

Originally Posted by UKFoxHunter

Just coming back on topic, i dont no if im the only guy from the uk but firstly..... F*ck you Tony Blair, your a conning, hipocrit who wants only but power and nothing to back it up.
I no that every time i step out of the house im gonna be taxed for something, where does it all go.. Tony Blairs Condom Bill.....
Wankewrs the lot of them, Apologies for the swearing, bit id come and kip round any of yours anyday.,
regards
One Strong Sad !!! Brit.!!!!!!!!!1

Gddmn but I love Brits. Like a stilletto between the ribs....

[Beer Forever]

You guys are just crazy. I went to my in-laws over the winter vacation and we started talking polotics and religion. The religion went over better, but when we talked politics I ended up leaving alone. I told my wife to stay and I'll see her back in Arizona. I never knew how cold the midwest really is.

[FutureMarine]

I've always heard it was better to not talk polotics with freinds and famil, because it is not going to change anyone, and just burn bridges. Well, IF you ever go there again, i hope you will have a better time with the in-laws

[FutureMarine]

I vote for this the hottest thread of the year!!!

[jerry]

Imagine:
Living in a place where your not willing to die or kill for.

[Outriderdark]

ok, explain that one.

[Jesse]

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKFoxHunter)
Just coming back on topic, i dont no if im the only guy from the uk but firstly..... F*ck you Tony Blair, your a conning, hipocrit who wants only but power and nothing to back it up.
I no that every time i step out of the house im gonna be taxed for something, where does it all go.. Tony Blairs Condom Bill.....
Wankewrs the lot of them, Apologies for the swearing, bit id come and kip round any of yours anyday.,
regards
One Strong Sad !!! Brit.!!!!!!!!!1

Originally Posted by Outriderdark

Gddmn but I love Brits. Like a stilletto between the ribs....

Let's cool the language guys...

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[Beer Forever]

I'll say this; as we all know there is no such thing as perfection when it comes to something on a large scale like one's country. But, America is probably up there with the best of the best. I can't go and say it is the best country because it is my opinion, but it is a good one. Our gov. sucks but hey most do. It could be a lot worse. WE (GOV.) JUST NEED TO STOP STICKING OUR NOSE WHERE IS DOES NOT BELONG!!! If we were the world's moderator than how come we never hear a thing about the terrible things going on in Africa. If we were so compasionate why is it only American missionaries that are there. Also, what about China, Iran, N Korea and a plethora of other countries that are doing unspeakable acts, we don't invade them. Oh, I forgot, those countries don't have oil.

Please send hate mail to: guitar_geek_23@hotmail.com

[Outriderdark]

Here here sks....