Death Penalty

FutureMarine · 01-10-2006, 08:14 PM

Should it be allowed? I want to see your opinion.

Chris · 01-10-2006, 08:15 PM

Yes

FutureMarine · 01-10-2006, 08:17 PM

I think yes also

ash · 01-10-2006, 08:21 PM

Deffinitely. I think the Death Penalty is a great idea. It's everything leading up to it that needs work.

Outriderdark · 01-10-2006, 08:24 PM

On the fence about it. I support it in theory. But reports of innocent folks getting offed accidentally by the state makes me back off.

FutureMarine · 01-10-2006, 08:34 PM

It is essential that if there is some peice of trash who kills innocents for no reason, or moselsts some little girl, then that person NEEDS to die. I despise him just as much or more than the radical muslims

Outriderdark · 01-10-2006, 08:40 PM

I agree in theory....it's the fine details that make me uneasy.

.22guy · 01-10-2006, 08:51 PM

Yes, it should be allowed. There are just certain people that don't need to be in our society, or Earth for that matter.

FutureMarine · 01-10-2006, 08:59 PM

Totally agree .22

Mooseman684 · 01-10-2006, 09:10 PM

This argument has been going on for a long time. IF you are religious and believe in the Bible...Thou shall NOT kill, It doesn't say that governments are excluded !!! Then there is "an eye for an eye" so it gets confusing at some point. We all get mad when an Innocent American is given the Death Penalty by Radical muslims but we say "good" when a Possibly Innocent accused Murderer is executed by the State.
There ARE innocent people in prison... and our justice system is NOW about how much Money you can pay to get away with Murder! If you are Poor...
You are Screwwwed, period.
Death is an easy way out, so I think we need to perform Frontal labotamy
On death row inmates that there is no doubt about their being guilty and put them to work on a treadmill Generating Electricity for the rest of us....Make em useful to society !:nod:

Outriderdark · 01-10-2006, 09:50 PM

Good point, Moose. How are things in Alaska? I'm looking to buy land up there one of these days.

FutureMarine · 01-10-2006, 10:05 PM

Anyone who is that much of a peice of garbage, like .22 said, should NOT be on this earth

Outriderdark · 01-10-2006, 10:49 PM

See, I'd have no problem putting a hunk of lead into someone I saw murdering someone else, or commiting some heinous crime so don't mistake my reticence for being squeamish.
Like Moose though, my problem is with a seriously flawed sytem that puts poor folks at a disadvantage. ALOT of innocent people get convicted in this country. I have no problem getting rid of criminals, I just want to be absolutely sure that they are criminals. I'd hate to be the guy getting the needle cause a DNA test got screwed up and I fit a profile. That's not a mistake you can fix later.
Like I said, I'm on board theoretically, I just have a hard time with the reality of the issue.

Troy · 01-10-2006, 11:50 PM

without getting into a debate on the possible innocents, you got your gaceys, dahmers, we have our homolkas, i think another guys name was wayne williams. these are just a few names of serial killers. honestly what more proof in these cases are needed to make these guys ride the lightning? make em burn.

whirlwind · 01-11-2006, 12:01 AM

im for it,but also i dont think a mans life should be wagered on circumstancial (sp?) evidence. if the d.a. wants to go for the death penalty why not up the burden on the prosecution to prove absolutely that the guy did it? and then if that is proven...no appeals no 59 years behind bars till ur execution date! if its proved BAM! the next day ya get a bullet in the head! im kinda tired of supporting these scumbags for 50 years before we off em. case in point,there was a guy here that shot his pregnant girlfriend in the face with a 12 guage when i was a kid (im guessing it was 78 or 79?) they just killed him a couple years ago! why burden the tax payers anymore than we are already?

BattleRifleG3 · 01-11-2006, 12:13 AM

I'm absolutely for the death penalty but concur that due to its irreversibility, there needs to be the highest degree of certainty. I believe this should be included in the sentencing process.

Here's a question, is having or not having the death penalty a state's right? I would say yes when the state justice systems are the ones involved, but it absolutely belongs on the state level, not local, because of the nature of local politics.

hounddawg · 01-11-2006, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

This argument has been going on for a long time. IF you are religious and believe in the Bible...Thou shall NOT kill, It doesn't say that governments are excluded !!!

I am not (religious), but in any event, the translation is incorrect. The original is "Thou shalt not commit murder." Execution, it may be argued, is not murder, but retribution.

I am in favour of the death-penalty. What burns me up is the delay. Were it up to me, Tookie would have been pushing up daisies decades ago. Scotty Pederson would be fertiliser by now.

That's my story an' I'm stickin' to it.

Shaun · 01-11-2006, 12:20 AM

mandatory for sex crimes, or any other violent crime, I might even agree to major narcotics trafficing

Rave · 01-11-2006, 12:46 AM

I think that it has it's place,like the bastid that just got off with 60 days for raping a little girl,what a travisty,guess it is another sign of the times.

inuyasha · 01-11-2006, 02:08 AM

never much believed in shooting someone that needs executing. (they already are under your control obviously, not on the street type thing) .. i dont believe the scum are even worth the cost of the ammo. im all in favor of a nice piece of rope and tree, or a big tower to push them off -- its reusable. lethal injection, electrocution, shooting, etc. all takes money these people arent worth. if you have clear cut evidence -- taped, seen by multiple people, dna, etc. you get all of 5 minutes to explain any reason it might be acceptable. itd be much more efficient -- gallows over a MASSIVE hole. do one, drop em, do the next. repeat untill the hole is filled, cover it, go with another hole, in fact.. burn the body, they arent worth taking up the land

01-10-2006, 08:14 PM	#1
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	Death Penalty Should it be allowed? I want to see your opinion.

01-10-2006, 08:24 PM	#5
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	On the fence about it. I support it in theory. But reports of innocent folks getting offed accidentally by the state makes me back off. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-10-2006, 08:40 PM	#7
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	I agree in theory....it's the fine details that make me uneasy. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-10-2006, 09:10 PM	#10
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,528 Images: 2	This argument has been going on for a long time. IF you are religious and believe in the Bible...Thou shall NOT kill, It doesn't say that governments are excluded !!! Then there is "an eye for an eye" so it gets confusing at some point. We all get mad when an Innocent American is given the Death Penalty by Radical muslims but we say "good" when a Possibly Innocent accused Murderer is executed by the State. There ARE innocent people in prison... and our justice system is NOW about how much Money you can pay to get away with Murder! If you are Poor... You are Screwwwed, period. Death is an easy way out, so I think we need to perform Frontal labotamy On death row inmates that there is no doubt about their being guilty and put them to work on a treadmill Generating Electricity for the rest of us....Make em useful to society !:nod: __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-10-2006, 09:50 PM	#11
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	Good point, Moose. How are things in Alaska? I'm looking to buy land up there one of these days. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-10-2006, 08:15 PM	#2
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,259 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 20	Yes

01-10-2006, 08:17 PM	#3
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	I think yes also

01-10-2006, 08:21 PM	#4
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	Deffinitely. I think the Death Penalty is a great idea. It's everything leading up to it that needs work.

01-10-2006, 08:34 PM	#6
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	It is essential that if there is some peice of trash who kills innocents for no reason, or moselsts some little girl, then that person NEEDS to die. I despise him just as much or more than the radical muslims

01-10-2006, 08:51 PM	#8
.22guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,255	Yes, it should be allowed. There are just certain people that don't need to be in our society, or Earth for that matter.

01-10-2006, 08:59 PM	#9
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	Totally agree .22

01-10-2006, 10:05 PM	#12
FutureMarine Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 1,952	Anyone who is that much of a peice of garbage, like .22 said, should NOT be on this earth

01-10-2006, 10:49 PM	#13
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	See, I'd have no problem putting a hunk of lead into someone I saw murdering someone else, or commiting some heinous crime so don't mistake my reticence for being squeamish. Like Moose though, my problem is with a seriously flawed sytem that puts poor folks at a disadvantage. ALOT of innocent people get convicted in this country. I have no problem getting rid of criminals, I just want to be absolutely sure that they are criminals. I'd hate to be the guy getting the needle cause a DNA test got screwed up and I fit a profile. That's not a mistake you can fix later. Like I said, I'm on board theoretically, I just have a hard time with the reality of the issue. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-10-2006, 11:50 PM	#14
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,505 Images: 3	without getting into a debate on the possible innocents, you got your gaceys, dahmers, we have our homolkas, i think another guys name was wayne williams. these are just a few names of serial killers. honestly what more proof in these cases are needed to make these guys ride the lightning? make em burn.

01-11-2006, 12:01 AM	#15
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,751 Images: 1	im for it,but also i dont think a mans life should be wagered on circumstancial (sp?) evidence. if the d.a. wants to go for the death penalty why not up the burden on the prosecution to prove absolutely that the guy did it? and then if that is proven...no appeals no 59 years behind bars till ur execution date! if its proved BAM! the next day ya get a bullet in the head! im kinda tired of supporting these scumbags for 50 years before we off em. case in point,there was a guy here that shot his pregnant girlfriend in the face with a 12 guage when i was a kid (im guessing it was 78 or 79?) they just killed him a couple years ago! why burden the tax payers anymore than we are already? __________________ De oppresso liber !

01-11-2006, 12:13 AM	#16
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,454 Images: 13	I'm absolutely for the death penalty but concur that due to its irreversibility, there needs to be the highest degree of certainty. I believe this should be included in the sentencing process. Here's a question, is having or not having the death penalty a state's right? I would say yes when the state justice systems are the ones involved, but it absolutely belongs on the state level, not local, because of the nature of local politics. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

01-11-2006, 12:20 AM	#18
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	mandatory for sex crimes, or any other violent crime, I might even agree to major narcotics trafficing __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-11-2006, 12:46 AM	#19
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	I think that it has it's place,like the bastid that just got off with 60 days for raping a little girl,what a travisty,guess it is another sign of the times. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-11-2006, 02:08 AM	#20
inuyasha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: US occupied territories of "south dakota" Posts: 357	never much believed in shooting someone that needs executing. (they already are under your control obviously, not on the street type thing) .. i dont believe the scum are even worth the cost of the ammo. im all in favor of a nice piece of rope and tree, or a big tower to push them off -- its reusable. lethal injection, electrocution, shooting, etc. all takes money these people arent worth. if you have clear cut evidence -- taped, seen by multiple people, dna, etc. you get all of 5 minutes to explain any reason it might be acceptable. itd be much more efficient -- gallows over a MASSIVE hole. do one, drop em, do the next. repeat untill the hole is filled, cover it, go with another hole, in fact.. burn the body, they arent worth taking up the land