Recent comments by enemies of freedom

Shaun · 01-19-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Are you trying to say the House of Reperesentatives HASN'T "been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard?"
In the last few years, the Republican House leadership has locked Democrats and "disloyal" Republicans out of important bill-writing or discussion sessions, brought them to the House Floor on short notice, banned amendments, demanded immediate votes without allowing anyone time to read the bills, and held the votes open for extraordinary lengths of time until they managed to twist enough arms and change enough votes to ensure passage.
Some of you people may not like the lady's choice of words (mainly because you don't like her), but what she said was completely true.

Troy we have control and its our right to keep the communists from passing thier bills that what happens when we get the majority powers

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by iflylow74

troy-
I think thats part of being the majority party in congress. When the dems. are in control, they have and will do the same thing. Its just one of the consequences of loosing seats after election, you dont always get what you want.

While the party in power has always had its little ways of abusing majority rule in the House, the Republicans have taken that sort of stuff to new heights. When the Class of '94 took power under the leadership of Newt Gingrich, they came in with a chip on their shoulder. They believed they had a mandate to do whatever they wanted to, and Newt encouraged them to consider Democratic (and moderate Republican) Congressmen as the enemy, rather than as colleagues they happened to disagree with on some issues.

I think it's a recipe for disaster when the Repulican leaders sit down with paid lobbyists to hammer out a bill in private with no public hearings or debate, and with no input from their colleagues across the aisle, and when they do things like introducing the final, heavily modified version of a bill without even giving the members of their own party time to read it, forbidding further discussions or amendments, and ramming it through. We get things like this Medicare Drug Benefit debacle, where the government is specifically forbidden to negotiate with the drug companies for better prices, and where the implementation is completely screwed up.

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 06:32 PM

While things may be rough right now, I hardly think the nation is on the brink of total chaos. We've been through a Civil War and the Depression and two world wars. Plus the Cold War with it's constant threat of thermonuclear annihlation. This current era isn't anywhere near the crisis of those times. Why does everyone seem to think we are about to crash into the sun or something?

Just out of curiosity, why do we need to put a foot up anything of China's at the moment. Diplomatic relations are going well. They're even helping with the N. Korean situation at the moment. I'm certainly aware of deep seated, underlying problems but none any worse than what we have with other countries.

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 10:24 PM

Ahh, we're always on the brink of disaster. Been there for two hundred and thirty years now.

But the fact that we'll probably survive this administration doesn't mean there isn't some damage being done...

Shaun · 01-19-2006, 10:28 PM

could have been worse if the current admin had been democraps we would have lost the 2nd Amend. We would be complete and total victims of the terrorists and the USA would have surrendered on 9/11

troy2000 · 01-20-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

could have been worse if the current admin had been democraps we would have lost the 2nd Amend. We would be complete and total victims of the terrorists and the USA would have surrendered on 9/11

That has happened every single time the Democrats were in power, hasn't it? Look at the way Roosevelt rolled over and surrendered to the Japs as soon as they hit Pearl Harbor...dang pacifist Democrats!

Shaun · 01-20-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

That has happened every single time the Democrats were in power, hasn't it? Look at the way Roosevelt rolled over and surrendered to the Japs as soon as they hit Pearl Harbor...dang pacifist Democrats!

How about Democraps like Klinton who sold our MIssle technology to China for contributions to his election campaign? and remember those missles are pointed at you in PRK.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-20-2006, 09:23 AM

I just can't understand why everyone blames China for our woes. We offer them the cake and complain because they accept it. put the blame where it belongs...on our greed politicians and on greedy business folks. If it were not for them, we'd still make clothes here and maybe, some of the business that used to be here would still be here. It's not china's fault nothing is made in America anymore.

Father Time · 01-20-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

I just can't understand why everyone blames China for our woes. We offer them the cake and complain because they accept it. put the blame where it belongs...on our greed politicians and on greedy business folks. If it were not for them, we'd still make clothes here and maybe, some of the business that used to be here would still be here. It's not china's fault nothing is made in America anymore.

Excellent point, RRJ!!!

American consumers deserve a little blame too for looking for cheap, no matter what the ultimate cost.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-20-2006, 09:33 AM

thank you, Father Time...we are old enough to remember "made in America"...and honest enough to lay the blame where it belongs.

Rave · 01-20-2006, 09:34 AM

I know that's right!:nod:

Mooseman684 · 01-20-2006, 01:34 PM

You gotta remember...politicians are like Bananas...first they are green, they hang in bunches, then they are Yellow, and then they are ROTTEN !
The American Dollar is only worth 4 cents right now, Gold is 540.00 an ounce,If we aren't at the brink of economic collapse and a real depression due to our Debt and trade deficit with countries like China, Then where are we ? The Clinton Era Free trade agreement Has a lot of our manufacturing now " Hecho en Mexico" and still our borders are being compromised by Mexicans, And Chinese Immigrants are coming thru Panama and up into the U.S. in droves as well, so even Buying lots of Chinese CRAP hasn't kept them working in there own country. Our government has Taxed and spent it way into this hole we are in, and It ain't George Bush that did it. CONgress is the culprit, which the opposite of PROgress ! See the first sentence !

Rave · 01-20-2006, 01:42 PM

I'm impressed,bananas

troy2000 · 01-20-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

How about Democraps like Klinton who sold our MIssle technology to China for contributions to his election campaign? and remember those missles are pointed at you in PRK.

But don't stop on my account. I enjoy political fiction as much as the next guy...

Rave · 01-22-2006, 09:02 AM

Actually,it was Gore,but no matter.

WetKnife · 01-22-2006, 11:11 PM

Clinton ? She thinks she'e royalty. Reality check Hillary , you pulled the wool over New York voters eyes but NY and California can't muster the votes to put your fat ssa in the White House.

troy2000 · 01-23-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WetKnife

Clinton ? She thinks she'e royalty. Reality check Hillary , you pulled the wool over New York voters eyes but NY and California can't muster the votes to put your fat ssa in the White House.

Here you are still hating her, and she doesn't even remember who you were...

toolman · 01-23-2006, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by troy2000

Here you are still hating her, and she doesn't even remember who you were...

Reckon she remembers you? In my experience, very few people in power anywhere, remember the average Joe, but you can bet that old Joe remembers what he lost or gained under a particular politician. Personally, I feel less of a threat to my ownership of guns, am working in the best job I've ever had, and am glad that we have a president who isn't "Monica'ing" every two bit terrorist that comes down the pike. The biggest difference that I see w\Bush is that he's more open about his goals. He's stated his positions and is sticking to his guns on them. I guess it all depends on what radio shows you listen to and who you want to believe. He was a good governor here in Tx. and has been faced with a situation never seen in this country, but hey, we could all do a better job than whoever's sitting in the big chair, right?

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-23-2006, 09:33 AM

Well, I don't care if she remembers/knows me or not! I remember her! I think I know her, too! Folks, I still hate her! And her little dog, too!

Rave · 01-23-2006, 09:50 AM

Saw on Fox that John McCaine has her beat all to heck on points already,don't look for her to make it.:right:

01-19-2006, 06:32 PM	#23
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	While things may be rough right now, I hardly think the nation is on the brink of total chaos. We've been through a Civil War and the Depression and two world wars. Plus the Cold War with it's constant threat of thermonuclear annihlation. This current era isn't anywhere near the crisis of those times. Why does everyone seem to think we are about to crash into the sun or something? Just out of curiosity, why do we need to put a foot up anything of China's at the moment. Diplomatic relations are going well. They're even helping with the N. Korean situation at the moment. I'm certainly aware of deep seated, underlying problems but none any worse than what we have with other countries. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 10:28 PM	#25
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	could have been worse if the current admin had been democraps we would have lost the 2nd Amend. We would be complete and total victims of the terrorists and the USA would have surrendered on 9/11 __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

01-20-2006, 09:23 AM	#28
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I just can't understand why everyone blames China for our woes. We offer them the cake and complain because they accept it. put the blame where it belongs...on our greed politicians and on greedy business folks. If it were not for them, we'd still make clothes here and maybe, some of the business that used to be here would still be here. It's not china's fault nothing is made in America anymore. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-20-2006, 09:33 AM	#30
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	thank you, Father Time...we are old enough to remember "made in America"...and honest enough to lay the blame where it belongs. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-20-2006, 09:34 AM	#31
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	I know that's right!:nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-19-2006, 10:24 PM	#24
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,020 Images: 9	Ahh, we're always on the brink of disaster. Been there for two hundred and thirty years now. But the fact that we'll probably survive this administration doesn't mean there isn't some damage being done...

01-20-2006, 01:34 PM	#32
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,528 Images: 2	You gotta remember...politicians are like Bananas...first they are green, they hang in bunches, then they are Yellow, and then they are ROTTEN ! The American Dollar is only worth 4 cents right now, Gold is 540.00 an ounce,If we aren't at the brink of economic collapse and a real depression due to our Debt and trade deficit with countries like China, Then where are we ? The Clinton Era Free trade agreement Has a lot of our manufacturing now " Hecho en Mexico" and still our borders are being compromised by Mexicans, And Chinese Immigrants are coming thru Panama and up into the U.S. in droves as well, so even Buying lots of Chinese CRAP hasn't kept them working in there own country. Our government has Taxed and spent it way into this hole we are in, and It ain't George Bush that did it. CONgress is the culprit, which the opposite of PROgress ! See the first sentence ! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

01-20-2006, 01:42 PM	#33
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	I'm impressed,bananas __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-22-2006, 09:02 AM	#35
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	Actually,it was Gore,but no matter. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-22-2006, 11:11 PM	#36
WetKnife Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 239	Clinton ? She thinks she'e royalty. Reality check Hillary , you pulled the wool over New York voters eyes but NY and California can't muster the votes to put your fat ssa in the White House.

01-23-2006, 09:33 AM	#39
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Well, I don't care if she remembers/knows me or not! I remember her! I think I know her, too! Folks, I still hate her! And her little dog, too! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-23-2006, 09:50 AM	#40
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	Saw on Fox that John McCaine has her beat all to heck on points already,don't look for her to make it.:right: __________________ USAF '62-'66 .