WTC--Conspiracy Theory

Ctwo · 01-18-2006, 04:40 PM

An article hosted by BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY physics department.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Outriderdark · 01-18-2006, 04:57 PM

I'd like to hear our engineer members weigh in on this.

7mmag6 · 01-18-2006, 05:29 PM

they had me till "the cia blah blah blah" I bet its a fake

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-19-2006, 09:10 AM

the building fell down like it was delt with by professonals. one floor onto the next...you figure it out. just like OKC, blows the whole friggin' building down but not the leaves on the trees across the street. Go figure, i already got my ideas.

iflylow74 · 01-19-2006, 11:12 AM

Yall dont forget, Osama is an engineer specializing in construction of large buildings. He knew exactyl what he was doing. In fact, just after 9/11, I saw a video of him talking about the attacks and he mentioned how he expected all the jet fuel to melt the metal beams causing the towers to collaps they way they did.

Rave · 01-19-2006, 11:31 AM

Interesting. The video that I saw said that he did not expect nearly that much damage,but that he was pleasently surprised.

Ctwo · 01-19-2006, 11:48 AM

That is also what I recall.

I do not see how anyone can read the entire article, view the videos, and review all of the referenced material, and draw any other conclusion that the buildings were all intentially demolished with carefully placed explosives, strategically sprinkled throught the entire building. Quite an engineering feat on its own, and not something terrorists could do undetected.

So the next logical question would then be, why would our government blow up the WTC?

iflylow74 · 01-19-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ctwo

That is also what I recall.
I do not see how anyone can read the entire article, view the videos, and review all of the referenced material, and draw any other conclusion that the buildings were all intentially demolished with carefully placed explosives, strategically sprinkled throught the entire building. Quite an engineering feat on its own, and not something terrorists could do undetected.
So the next logical question would then be, why would our government blow up the WTC?

I still can't bring myself to believe that website.... Like you said, why would the gov. or anyone do that???

7mmag6 · 01-19-2006, 02:26 PM

THE GOV DID NOT BLOW UP THE BUILDINGS stop believing hogwash

Rave · 01-19-2006, 04:27 PM

I was,and still am,shocked and appalled at what happened.
Now that I have had time to think about it I would like to have the entire video of the tragedy to study at my leisure,but I didn't record it...dam!

troy2000 · 01-19-2006, 06:26 PM

Y'all let me know when you're planning to swing back by the Earth again, and I'll get into the conversation.

7mmag6 · 01-19-2006, 06:31 PM

give me a lift to troy----I cant believe people believe this nonsense. BYU is the most conservative u in this country, he would be hung drawn and qaurtered

7mmag6 · 01-19-2006, 06:46 PM

A professor from byu would be hung drawn and quartered for this crap. Thats byu the most conservative university in the country. Its bu-shcrap.

Outriderdark · 01-19-2006, 07:04 PM

I can't believe I'm gonna respond but since our engineers didn't.....
There would be no way to know precisely where the planes were going to hit the buildings or at what trajectory. The buildings collapsed starting at the impact points if you recall. The only way to pull it off would be to have hundreds of charges with seperate remote detonators so you could detonate the ones at the impact points. Problem is, the impact and resulting explosion would destroy the charges anywhere near the impact points.
Osama knew the beams would melt and he expected a partial collapse of the floors above the explosion down onto the lower floors and was pleasantly surprised when the weight of the collapsing upper floors compromised the lower floors. That speaks to their limited knowlege of the structure itself and it's silt wall foundation. The same wouldn't have happened to the Empire State building because it is built differently.

All that being said...get a grip people! I'm gonna sit here and have a beer and wait for the Mothership to bring y'all home.
:spaceship

7mmag6 · 01-19-2006, 09:01 PM

hokay im electrical not mechanical, first off the squips need timing. Thats a PLC job, I dont really know but thats what I think. So every squib need to be wired and timed to the millisecond. So a network of squibs need to be wired to scada, and every one checked and the ladders rigged in the program. Thats a huge job, it would not go undetected. Can you imagine an army of terrorists rigging explosives in exactly the right place. The timing of the planes would have to co-incide with the ladder logic, so the squibs go off as soon as the planes hit, thats impossible,or a dam genious terrorist.So we need a plc program, or relay logic to equate exactly at the time of the planes, its just baloney

whirlwind · 01-20-2006, 01:10 AM

bringing a building down with explosives isnt as easy as this article would have you believe. first off the main supports would have to be flame cut nearly in two in hundreds of places through out the entire structure before placing shaped charges to finally sever them. and thermite would be extremely expensive. now can a building be brought down without preping the structure?sure! but not a building like the wtc. the fed building at oklahoma city was in no way even close to the size of the wtc. they already tried a okc type bombing of the trade center in the 90's and it was extremely uneffective. now as for the molten metal in the pictures in the article...for anyone to make any assumption on what melted that particular piece without actually having it in your hands is absolutely rediculous. for all we know it could be a part of an HVAC unit that fused together or some sort of condensor from some piece of machinery that was in the basement. i just cant buy any of the crap in the article.

Outriderdark · 01-20-2006, 06:58 AM

That's right! I forgot about all the cutting and prep demolition guys do to a building first. And then, sometimes it doesn't even come down properly or completely.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-20-2006, 09:31 AM

yeah, okay folks....it must have just been dumb luck....times two! both buildings just collapesed like a pro did the work. you got a better explaination?

Rave · 01-20-2006, 09:43 AM

I'm not an engineer,but they sure came down neatly,just like the others I have watched being demolished,looked the same from the outside,but I can't believe that all that prep could have occured no matter who did it.
This is really stretching it,but could it have been built in?
I saw a program that showed a lot of steel framed buildings completly burned and they said never before nor after has a steel framed building collapsed anything like this disaster.
Beats me,but it still looks suspicious to me.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-20-2006, 09:48 AM

Da Boogie man!

01-18-2006, 04:40 PM	#1
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	WTC--Conspiracy Theory An article hosted by BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY physics department. http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

01-18-2006, 04:57 PM	#2
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,126	I'd like to hear our engineer members weigh in on this. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 09:10 AM	#4
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,342 Images: 1	the building fell down like it was delt with by professonals. one floor onto the next...you figure it out. just like OKC, blows the whole friggin' building down but not the leaves on the trees across the street. Go figure, i already got my ideas. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-19-2006, 11:12 AM	#5
iflylow74 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Arkansaw Posts: 1,439 Blog Entries: 11	Yall dont forget, Osama is an engineer specializing in construction of large buildings. He knew exactyl what he was doing. In fact, just after 9/11, I saw a video of him talking about the attacks and he mentioned how he expected all the jet fuel to melt the metal beams causing the towers to collaps they way they did. __________________ Regnant Populi, Nemo me impune lacessit

01-19-2006, 11:31 AM	#6
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,436	Interesting. The video that I saw said that he did not expect nearly that much damage,but that he was pleasently surprised. __________________ Better days are comeing! .

01-18-2006, 05:29 PM	#3
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052 Images: 1	they had me till "the cia blah blah blah" I bet its a fake

01-19-2006, 11:48 AM	#7
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	That is also what I recall. I do not see how anyone can read the entire article, view the videos, and review all of the referenced material, and draw any other conclusion that the buildings were all intentially demolished with carefully placed explosives, strategically sprinkled throught the entire building. Quite an engineering feat on its own, and not something terrorists could do undetected. So the next logical question would then be, why would our government blow up the WTC?

01-19-2006, 02:26 PM	#9
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052 Images: 1	THE GOV DID NOT BLOW UP THE BUILDINGS stop believing hogwash

01-19-2006, 04:27 PM	#10
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,436	I was,and still am,shocked and appalled at what happened. Now that I have had time to think about it I would like to have the entire video of the tragedy to study at my leisure,but I didn't record it...dam! __________________ Better days are comeing! .

01-19-2006, 06:26 PM	#11
troy2000 Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 14,554 Images: 9	Y'all let me know when you're planning to swing back by the Earth again, and I'll get into the conversation.

01-19-2006, 06:31 PM	#12
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052 Images: 1	give me a lift to troy----I cant believe people believe this nonsense. BYU is the most conservative u in this country, he would be hung drawn and qaurtered Last edited by 7mmag6; 01-19-2006 at 06:47 PM.

01-19-2006, 06:46 PM	#13
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052 Images: 1	A professor from byu would be hung drawn and quartered for this crap. Thats byu the most conservative university in the country. Its bu-shcrap.

01-19-2006, 07:04 PM	#14
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,126	I can't believe I'm gonna respond but since our engineers didn't..... There would be no way to know precisely where the planes were going to hit the buildings or at what trajectory. The buildings collapsed starting at the impact points if you recall. The only way to pull it off would be to have hundreds of charges with seperate remote detonators so you could detonate the ones at the impact points. Problem is, the impact and resulting explosion would destroy the charges anywhere near the impact points. Osama knew the beams would melt and he expected a partial collapse of the floors above the explosion down onto the lower floors and was pleasantly surprised when the weight of the collapsing upper floors compromised the lower floors. That speaks to their limited knowlege of the structure itself and it's silt wall foundation. The same wouldn't have happened to the Empire State building because it is built differently. All that being said...get a grip people! I'm gonna sit here and have a beer and wait for the Mothership to bring y'all home. :spaceship __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-19-2006, 09:01 PM	#15
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,052 Images: 1	hokay im electrical not mechanical, first off the squips need timing. Thats a PLC job, I dont really know but thats what I think. So every squib need to be wired and timed to the millisecond. So a network of squibs need to be wired to scada, and every one checked and the ladders rigged in the program. Thats a huge job, it would not go undetected. Can you imagine an army of terrorists rigging explosives in exactly the right place. The timing of the planes would have to co-incide with the ladder logic, so the squibs go off as soon as the planes hit, thats impossible,or a dam genious terrorist.So we need a plc program, or relay logic to equate exactly at the time of the planes, its just baloney

01-20-2006, 01:10 AM	#16
whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 3,769 Images: 1	bringing a building down with explosives isnt as easy as this article would have you believe. first off the main supports would have to be flame cut nearly in two in hundreds of places through out the entire structure before placing shaped charges to finally sever them. and thermite would be extremely expensive. now can a building be brought down without preping the structure?sure! but not a building like the wtc. the fed building at oklahoma city was in no way even close to the size of the wtc. they already tried a okc type bombing of the trade center in the 90's and it was extremely uneffective. now as for the molten metal in the pictures in the article...for anyone to make any assumption on what melted that particular piece without actually having it in your hands is absolutely rediculous. for all we know it could be a part of an HVAC unit that fused together or some sort of condensor from some piece of machinery that was in the basement. i just cant buy any of the crap in the article. __________________ De oppresso liber !

01-20-2006, 06:58 AM	#17
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,126	That's right! I forgot about all the cutting and prep demolition guys do to a building first. And then, sometimes it doesn't even come down properly or completely. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

01-20-2006, 09:31 AM	#18
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,342 Images: 1	yeah, okay folks....it must have just been dumb luck....times two! both buildings just collapesed like a pro did the work. you got a better explaination? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-20-2006, 09:43 AM	#19
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 8,436	I'm not an engineer,but they sure came down neatly,just like the others I have watched being demolished,looked the same from the outside,but I can't believe that all that prep could have occured no matter who did it. This is really stretching it,but could it have been built in? I saw a program that showed a lot of steel framed buildings completly burned and they said never before nor after has a steel framed building collapsed anything like this disaster. Beats me,but it still looks suspicious to me. __________________ Better days are comeing! . Last edited by Rave; 01-20-2006 at 09:45 AM.

01-20-2006, 09:48 AM	#20
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,342 Images: 1	Da Boogie man! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf