Big Brother goes after Google users

troy2000 · 01-21-2006, 10:33 AM

You're right; hats off to Google for standing up and fighting. I'm pretty disgusted with Microsoft and Yahoo.

On the other hand, in China Google meekly blocks anything the government asks them to.

wirehunt · 01-21-2006, 04:00 PM

China's a bit different though and I don't really think that you can talk about them the same as the rest of the world. There's just different rules where China is concerned.

troy2000 · 01-21-2006, 10:05 PM

As earlier mentioned, the main thing that bothers me about this is my feeling that the Bush Administration is trying to stake out territory and establish that they have the right to barge into any kind of high-tech communications or record keeping at will.

But they're also being lazy. Face it: they have the capability to do their own research and do it legally, in ways that don't intrude on the rights or privacy of others. Instead, they're trying to commandeer the private sector to do their work for them, at the internet companys' own expense. That's kind of adding insult to injury.

Rave · 01-22-2006, 08:45 AM

First they self-rightiously spout the lines of child-porn,save the children,now I see in the paper that it was all about preventing the kiddies from gaining access to the porn.
Now which is it?
The whole thing reminds me of the lines of crap we were supposed to sniff at W**o,justify what ever you want to do by screaming protection of the children,then kill 'em all for their own protection,been hearing that line for the lastforty years,starting with VN.
This is nothing new,this is not just Bush,this is gummint doing what gummint does,both sides of the aisle,and it always seems to work!:nod:

WetKnife · 01-22-2006, 08:55 AM

I like my porn clean and legal. Bush can do what ever he can to ferret out the perves with the child porn, animal acts, E-Mail trash, and the people trying to sell me growth cream. I would let Bush take us to the brink of Fascism if he could destroy the malcontents of this country.

troy2000 · 01-22-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WetKnife

I like my porn clean and legal. Bush can do what ever he can to ferret out the perves with the child porn, animal acts, E-Mail trash, and the people trying to sell me growth cream. I would let Bush take us to the brink of Fascism if he could destroy the malcontents of this country.

Nor any dissent, for that matter. And the reason I'm a "malcontent" is that they're already trying to take us to the brink of Fascism--and beyond.

troy2000 · 01-22-2006, 11:22 AM

--Originally, the government asked for a treasure trove of all searches made in June and July 2005; the request has been scaled back to one week's worth of search queries.

--DOJ spokesperson Charles Miller says that the government is requesting only the actual search terms, and not anything that would link the queries to those who made them.

--Though the government intends to use these data specifically for its COPA-related test, it's possible that the information could lead to further investigations and, perhaps, subpoenas to find out who was doing the searching.

--What if certain search terms indicated that people were contemplating terrorist actions or other criminal activities? Says the DOJ's Miller, "I'm assuming that if something raised alarms, we would hand it over to the proper [authorities]."

In other words, they're on a fishing expedition. What are the chances of them rummaging thru all that data without finding something that "raises alarms?"

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-23-2006, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troy

i like looking at the clothing challenged myself, that is one thing. an all out censorship on kiddy porn would not be a bad thing. what makes me nervous is letting the censorship monster out of the bag. once it is blatently out there, who would be in control of what should be censored then?
Ruf? comments? waiting, waiting..............

you know bush is just a liar. His interest has nothing to do with children who are abused and taken advantage of. personally, though some things I find disgusting, others do not. For example, partial birth abortions. I think it's murder and nothing less. The dems think it's a woman's right! though it's not the same thing, something as extreme as that serves to illustrate my point. given the chance, the government would love to rule us completely! It appears they, bush in particular, wants to take away all our rights for privacy in the name of them bad ole terrorists, truth is, he's a liar. Chaney was even whoreing himself yesterday on the news. he was saying that because of bush stealing our 4th amendment rights away, the terrorists have not attacked us! What bull! i got this talisman, i shake it at the moon! Guess what....because I do that every third full moon, planet X has not crashed into the earth! That makes just about as much sense as cheney's comments/lies.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-23-2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rave

First they self-rightiously spout the lines of child-porn,save the children,now I see in the paper that it was all about preventing the kiddies from gaining access to the porn.
Now which is it?
The whole thing reminds me of the lines of crap we were supposed to sniff at W**o,justify what ever you want to do by screaming protection of the children,then kill 'em all for their own protection,been hearing that line for the lastforty years,starting with VN.
This is nothing new,this is not just Bush,this is gummint doing what gummint does,both sides of the aisle,and it always seems to work!:nod:

yup! smell like bull to me! you're right!:joker:

Rave · 01-23-2006, 10:44 AM

Our borders are still wide open,maybe that's why there have been no attacks,I'm thinking we are way past due,no dam telling what has come into the country and our enemies may be setting us up for some simultanious attacks to look more powerful to the rest of the world.
Who knows,but it's possible!
And to think,we could have done something about it were it not for the demand for cheap labor by some greedy bastids!

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-23-2006, 10:46 AM

yeah! What Rave said!

Beer Forever · 01-23-2006, 03:03 PM

The FBI already monitors people who watch child porn. If Bush says that is what why he wants to monitor, than it is a lie because the Government has been doin that for a long time. :lucky:

NRAJOE · 01-23-2006, 03:32 PM

Shoudn't be looking at porn anyways...its bad for your wrists and gives you hand cramps...

Beer Forever · 01-23-2006, 05:01 PM

I agree. That stuff is bad.:right: :cheer:

Ctwo · 01-23-2006, 06:41 PM

I'm sure their intentions are quite noble.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-24-2006, 02:37 PM

I think thier intention are evil, at best and, worst possible scenario...murderous.

Beer Forever · 01-24-2006, 02:54 PM

i agree. they want to stop child porn, they must be murderous theives. :nod:

tommy · 01-25-2006, 09:39 PM

go to www.googleearth.com it's a download but it's well worth it. and it's free you can zoom in one any country/ town /city/ you name it you can see it i like the grande canyon. there ain't nuthin wrong with google . but alot wrong with the goverment.

Rufus Rhastus J · 01-26-2006, 09:28 AM

Yup, right on Tommy!

01-21-2006, 10:33 AM	#21
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,019 Images: 9	You're right; hats off to Google for standing up and fighting. I'm pretty disgusted with Microsoft and Yahoo. On the other hand, in China Google meekly blocks anything the government asks them to. Last edited by troy2000; 01-21-2006 at 09:56 PM.

01-21-2006, 04:00 PM	#22
wirehunt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Otago New Zealand Posts: 665	China's a bit different though and I don't really think that you can talk about them the same as the rest of the world. There's just different rules where China is concerned. __________________ Happy Hunting

01-22-2006, 08:45 AM	#24
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	First they self-rightiously spout the lines of child-porn,save the children,now I see in the paper that it was all about preventing the kiddies from gaining access to the porn. Now which is it? The whole thing reminds me of the lines of crap we were supposed to sniff at W*o,justify what ever you want to do by screaming protection of the children,then kill 'em all for their own protection,been hearing that line for the lastforty years,starting with VN. This is nothing new,this is not just Bush,this is gummint doing what gummint does,both sides of the aisle,and it always seems to work!:nod: __________________ USAF '62-'66 . Last edited by Rave; 01-23-2006 at 10:19 AM.*

01-22-2006, 11:22 AM	#27
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,019 Images: 9	Excerpts from a Newsweek article --Originally, the government asked for a treasure trove of all searches made in June and July 2005; the request has been scaled back to one week's worth of search queries. --DOJ spokesperson Charles Miller says that the government is requesting only the actual search terms, and not anything that would link the queries to those who made them. --Though the government intends to use these data specifically for its COPA-related test, it's possible that the information could lead to further investigations and, perhaps, subpoenas to find out who was doing the searching. --What if certain search terms indicated that people were contemplating terrorist actions or other criminal activities? Says the DOJ's Miller, "I'm assuming that if something raised alarms, we would hand it over to the proper [authorities]." In other words, they're on a fishing expedition. What are the chances of them rummaging thru all that data without finding something that "raises alarms?"

01-23-2006, 10:44 AM	#30
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	Our borders are still wide open,maybe that's why there have been no attacks,I'm thinking we are way past due,no dam telling what has come into the country and our enemies may be setting us up for some simultanious attacks to look more powerful to the rest of the world. Who knows,but it's possible! And to think,we could have done something about it were it not for the demand for cheap labor by some greedy bastids! __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

01-21-2006, 10:05 PM	#23
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,019 Images: 9	As earlier mentioned, the main thing that bothers me about this is my feeling that the Bush Administration is trying to stake out territory and establish that they have the right to barge into any kind of high-tech communications or record keeping at will. But they're also being lazy. Face it: they have the capability to do their own research and do it legally, in ways that don't intrude on the rights or privacy of others. Instead, they're trying to commandeer the private sector to do their work for them, at the internet companys' own expense. That's kind of adding insult to injury.

01-22-2006, 08:55 AM	#25
WetKnife Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 239	I like my porn clean and legal. Bush can do what ever he can to ferret out the perves with the child porn, animal acts, E-Mail trash, and the people trying to sell me growth cream. I would let Bush take us to the brink of Fascism if he could destroy the malcontents of this country.

01-23-2006, 10:46 AM	#31
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	yeah! What Rave said! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-23-2006, 03:03 PM	#32
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	The FBI already monitors people who watch child porn. If Bush says that is what why he wants to monitor, than it is a lie because the Government has been doin that for a long time. :lucky: __________________ Paramedic sks forever

01-23-2006, 03:32 PM	#33
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,252 Images: 3	Shoudn't be looking at porn anyways...its bad for your wrists and gives you hand cramps...

01-23-2006, 05:01 PM	#34
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	I agree. That stuff is bad.:right: :cheer: __________________ Paramedic sks forever

01-23-2006, 06:41 PM	#35
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	I'm sure their intentions are quite noble.

01-24-2006, 02:37 PM	#36
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I think thier intention are evil, at best and, worst possible scenario...murderous. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

01-24-2006, 02:54 PM	#37
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	i agree. they want to stop child porn, they must be murderous theives. :nod: __________________ Paramedic sks forever

01-25-2006, 09:39 PM	#38
tommy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: schriever la Posts: 4,147 Images: 6	go to www.googleearth.com it's a download but it's well worth it. and it's free you can zoom in one any country/ town /city/ you name it you can see it i like the grande canyon. there ain't nuthin wrong with google . but alot wrong with the goverment.

01-26-2006, 09:28 AM	#39
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Yup, right on Tommy! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf