Mom always said watch who you hang out with

jerry · 02-02-2006, 08:45 AM

This sounds like a messed up deal. Moral of the story, right or wrong, don't put yourself in bad situations. If this guy was a bonehead, you'd think an AFSP would know better.

CHINO - A U.S. Air Force policeman who just returned from Iraq was shot several times by a sheriff's deputy late Sunday following a high-speed chase.
The man, identified by family members as Elio Carrion, 21, was hospitalized at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. Hospital officials would not release his condition, but the man's wife said he underwent surgery and was stable.

"He looks good. He's just very tired right now," said Mariela Carrion, a Louisiana resident who was visiting family in Pomona with her husband.

San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies released few details about what prompted the shooting. Sheriff Gary Penrod said in a prepared statement the department's homicide division was conducting a thorough investigation.

"As with all investigations, the circumstances involved in this shooting will be reviewed," Penrod said. "It would be inappropriate for me to make any additional comments until the investigation is completed."

The incident began about 10 p.m. when deputies saw the driver of a blue Chevrolet Corvette speeding at more than 100 mph through a residential area, deputies said.

Deputies tried to stop the driver, but he didn't pull over, sheriff's officials said. A short chase ensued, ending when the driver, Luis Fernando Escobedo, skidded and slammed into the block wall on Francis Avenue near Benson Avenue in Chino.

Bill Vandie, who lives on Francis, said he was inside when he heard the Corvette and the sheriff's car race down the street.

"I heard the tires screeching like someone slamming on the brakes," he said.

A resident next door to Vandie ran inside and grabbed a video camera shortly after he heard the crash. Neighbors then reported hearing about three gunshots.

Sheriff's officials said while deputies were trying to take Escobedo and Carrion into custody, a deputy shot Carrion.

Deputies said the cameraman voluntarily handed over a copy of the tape to authorities, who planned to review it as part of the investigation.

Paramedics flew Carrion to the hospital. Escobedo, 21, was not shot. Sheriff's officials didn't indicate whether Escobedo or his passenger were injured in the crash.

Deputies booked Escobedo into West Valley Detention Center on suspicion of felony evading.

Roberto Garcia, a friend of the man who filmed the incident, said he didn't see the shooting, but viewed a copy of the video. Garcia was inside the home in the 5500 block of Francis Avenue while his friend stood outside filming.

"The guy laid down on the ground and was arguing with police and the police told him to get up," Garcia said. "When he got up that's when he shot him."

Garcia also said the video showed a deputy kicking the man while he was on the ground.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal said investigators were still reviewing the tape, so the department couldn't respond to Garcia's description of its contents.

"I have not seen the tape, so we're not going to comment on it right now," she said.

The deputy who shot Carrion was placed on leave pending the outcome of the investigation, which is regular procedure, Haynal said.

But the families of Carrion and Escobedo want answers sooner.

Laura Cardona, Escobedo's sister, came to the shooting scene Monday afternoon. She said her brother and Carrion were at a family get-together in Montclair celebrating Carrion's return from Iraq on Sunday night.

Carrion and Escobedo got into the Corvette and had planned to stop at a store and visit a friend. While heading to their friend's house, the chase began, she said.

"We don't understand why they say he was running from the cops because I don't think he was," said Cardona, a Montclair resident.

She said Escobedo was not perfect and once had a warrant for not paying a speeding ticket, but he had nothing serious on his record.

Relatives were baffled as to why Carrion would be shot.

Carrion has served three years in the Air Force's military police and had just returned to his home in Shreveport, La., after serving eight months in Iraq, his wife said.

Mariela Carrion, who has been married to the man two years, said she and Elio came to Pomona to visit family members.

She said she is interested in viewing the videotape because she is seeking an explanation about what happened.

"I actually talked to him, and he said they shot him for no reason," she said.

Dale · 02-02-2006, 09:12 AM

Although I agree fleeing, and particularly, high speed flight, is stupid, futile, and downright stupid I still have to wonder why he was shot.

If I were the PIO I would make it quite clear to the press and the public why the Officer shot him. Do not do it sometimes raises eyebrows around the
L. A. area (especially) of what they are trying to hide.

Rufus Rhastus J · 02-02-2006, 10:15 AM

I agree. If he presented no danger, as the story suggests, then why shoot him? Why kick him?

Shaun · 02-02-2006, 10:28 AM

I want to see what the FBI finds out --- Yes there was a flight issue and that does lead to an adreniline rush and tunnel vision in some cases it has lead to enraged officers. I have to wonder if there was some movement or lack of direction that caused the shots to be fired.

Dallas · 02-02-2006, 11:38 AM

We had a case in the DC area about 5 or so years ago where a teenage girl was shot by Police when she was getting out of a car (she was a passenger), after a short chase. The girl had two officers pointing weapons at her and unfortunately they were telling her to do two different things (as established after the fact), one of the officers shot her. I wonder if perhaps the same thing happend here?

troy2000 · 02-02-2006, 11:48 AM

There was only one deputy on the scene. I don't have TV so I haven't seen the tape, but from what I've heard he lost it big-time. He was screaming and cursing, then told the Airman to get up. The Airman responded, "I'm getting up." And when he did, the deputy put three bullets in him.

On the tape, you can hear someone yelling, "he was doing what you told him!" And the deputy's response was, "Shut the F--- Up!"

I think Airman Carrion is going to own a good chunk of San Bernardino County before this is all over.

Apparently there was a going-away party for him at his parents' house because he was about to return to his unit, and he rode with his friend to get more beer. Unfortunately, the friend seems to have a reputation and record for being a hotrodding idiot.

WetKnife · 02-06-2006, 05:06 AM

I agree with Troy2000. Not everyone has the ability to be in Law Enforcement. As with the NYPD guy who gave that Haitian a club style enema jail time is warranted here. The shooting was wrong and the Airman is going to get a whole lot of tax payer money. The deputy is now a liability and should be fired.

Otter · 02-06-2006, 08:47 AM

FIRED? That S.O.B. Should be put in jail!

"Life is too important to be taken seriously."

troy2000 · 02-06-2006, 08:53 AM

(this happened near me, so the local paper is on it).

Deputy is 45 yrs old; the son of a former police chief of the city of Compton. He played in the Rose Bowl one year, for Iowa I think. He didn't become a cop until he was in his thirties. His neighbors love him.

I still haven't seen the video, but I've heard audio clips, and it sounds like the officer took the situation way too personally, like they had peed on his leg by trying to get away.

Maybe he'd had a fight with the old lady, and she cut him off.

billhilly7 · 02-06-2006, 08:57 AM

ive seen the tape guys, there was no kicking involved, the man was mouthin off to the sheriff tellin him he had served more time than he has and just being very difficult in general, the sound on the tape isnt to good but clearly someone said "get up" and the man was in the process of getting up very fast when he was shot. im not sayin whos right here but ya cant really tell who said get up. plus the man puts the sheriffs life in danger by getting up so fast, couldve had a weapon. another thing is i believe the sheriff would have gone over and cuffed the man b4 putting himself in the potentially dangerous situation of letting the man get up and possibly pulling a weapon.

02-02-2006, 08:45 AM	#1
jerry Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,199 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	Mom always said watch who you hang out with This sounds like a messed up deal. Moral of the story, right or wrong, don't put yourself in bad situations. If this guy was a bonehead, you'd think an AFSP would know better. CHINO - A U.S. Air Force policeman who just returned from Iraq was shot several times by a sheriff's deputy late Sunday following a high-speed chase. The man, identified by family members as Elio Carrion, 21, was hospitalized at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. Hospital officials would not release his condition, but the man's wife said he underwent surgery and was stable. "He looks good. He's just very tired right now," said Mariela Carrion, a Louisiana resident who was visiting family in Pomona with her husband. San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies released few details about what prompted the shooting. Sheriff Gary Penrod said in a prepared statement the department's homicide division was conducting a thorough investigation. "As with all investigations, the circumstances involved in this shooting will be reviewed," Penrod said. "It would be inappropriate for me to make any additional comments until the investigation is completed." The incident began about 10 p.m. when deputies saw the driver of a blue Chevrolet Corvette speeding at more than 100 mph through a residential area, deputies said. Deputies tried to stop the driver, but he didn't pull over, sheriff's officials said. A short chase ensued, ending when the driver, Luis Fernando Escobedo, skidded and slammed into the block wall on Francis Avenue near Benson Avenue in Chino. Bill Vandie, who lives on Francis, said he was inside when he heard the Corvette and the sheriff's car race down the street. "I heard the tires screeching like someone slamming on the brakes," he said. A resident next door to Vandie ran inside and grabbed a video camera shortly after he heard the crash. Neighbors then reported hearing about three gunshots. Sheriff's officials said while deputies were trying to take Escobedo and Carrion into custody, a deputy shot Carrion. Deputies said the cameraman voluntarily handed over a copy of the tape to authorities, who planned to review it as part of the investigation. Paramedics flew Carrion to the hospital. Escobedo, 21, was not shot. Sheriff's officials didn't indicate whether Escobedo or his passenger were injured in the crash. Deputies booked Escobedo into West Valley Detention Center on suspicion of felony evading. Roberto Garcia, a friend of the man who filmed the incident, said he didn't see the shooting, but viewed a copy of the video. Garcia was inside the home in the 5500 block of Francis Avenue while his friend stood outside filming. "The guy laid down on the ground and was arguing with police and the police told him to get up," Garcia said. "When he got up that's when he shot him." Garcia also said the video showed a deputy kicking the man while he was on the ground. Sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal said investigators were still reviewing the tape, so the department couldn't respond to Garcia's description of its contents. "I have not seen the tape, so we're not going to comment on it right now," she said. The deputy who shot Carrion was placed on leave pending the outcome of the investigation, which is regular procedure, Haynal said. But the families of Carrion and Escobedo want answers sooner. Laura Cardona, Escobedo's sister, came to the shooting scene Monday afternoon. She said her brother and Carrion were at a family get-together in Montclair celebrating Carrion's return from Iraq on Sunday night. Carrion and Escobedo got into the Corvette and had planned to stop at a store and visit a friend. While heading to their friend's house, the chase began, she said. "We don't understand why they say he was running from the cops because I don't think he was," said Cardona, a Montclair resident. She said Escobedo was not perfect and once had a warrant for not paying a speeding ticket, but he had nothing serious on his record. Relatives were baffled as to why Carrion would be shot. Carrion has served three years in the Air Force's military police and had just returned to his home in Shreveport, La., after serving eight months in Iraq, his wife said. Mariela Carrion, who has been married to the man two years, said she and Elio came to Pomona to visit family members. She said she is interested in viewing the videotape because she is seeking an explanation about what happened. "I actually talked to him, and he said they shot him for no reason," she said. __________________ Joe the plumber is screwed

02-02-2006, 09:12 AM	#2
Dale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Too Dang Hot, Arizona Posts: 4,284	Although I agree fleeing, and particularly, high speed flight, is stupid, futile, and downright stupid I still have to wonder why he was shot. If I were the PIO I would make it quite clear to the press and the public why the Officer shot him. Do not do it sometimes raises eyebrows around the L. A. area (especially) of what they are trying to hide. __________________ "It confuses me how some people can vigorously go against the 2nd. Amendment and still call themselves patriotic"-me

02-02-2006, 10:15 AM	#3
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	I agree. If he presented no danger, as the story suggests, then why shoot him? Why kick him? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

02-02-2006, 10:28 AM	#4
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	I want to see what the FBI finds out --- Yes there was a flight issue and that does lead to an adreniline rush and tunnel vision in some cases it has lead to enraged officers. I have to wonder if there was some movement or lack of direction that caused the shots to be fired. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-02-2006, 11:48 AM	#6
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	There was only one deputy on the scene. I don't have TV so I haven't seen the tape, but from what I've heard he lost it big-time. He was screaming and cursing, then told the Airman to get up. The Airman responded, "I'm getting up." And when he did, the deputy put three bullets in him. On the tape, you can hear someone yelling, "he was doing what you told him!" And the deputy's response was, "Shut the F--- Up!" I think Airman Carrion is going to own a good chunk of San Bernardino County before this is all over. Apparently there was a going-away party for him at his parents' house because he was about to return to his unit, and he rode with his friend to get more beer. Unfortunately, the friend seems to have a reputation and record for being a hotrodding idiot. Last edited by troy2000; 02-02-2006 at 11:55 AM.

02-02-2006, 11:38 AM	#5
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,609	We had a case in the DC area about 5 or so years ago where a teenage girl was shot by Police when she was getting out of a car (she was a passenger), after a short chase. The girl had two officers pointing weapons at her and unfortunately they were telling her to do two different things (as established after the fact), one of the officers shot her. I wonder if perhaps the same thing happend here?

02-06-2006, 05:06 AM	#7
WetKnife Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 239	I agree with Troy2000. Not everyone has the ability to be in Law Enforcement. As with the NYPD guy who gave that Haitian a club style enema jail time is warranted here. The shooting was wrong and the Airman is going to get a whole lot of tax payer money. The deputy is now a liability and should be fired.

02-06-2006, 08:47 AM	#8
Otter Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vermont Posts: 980 Images: 6	FIRED? That S.O.B. Should be put in jail! "Life is too important to be taken seriously." __________________ Life is too important to be taken seriously.

02-06-2006, 08:53 AM	#9
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	More background info (this happened near me, so the local paper is on it). Deputy is 45 yrs old; the son of a former police chief of the city of Compton. He played in the Rose Bowl one year, for Iowa I think. He didn't become a cop until he was in his thirties. His neighbors love him. I still haven't seen the video, but I've heard audio clips, and it sounds like the officer took the situation way too personally, like they had peed on his leg by trying to get away. Maybe he'd had a fight with the old lady, and she cut him off.

02-06-2006, 08:57 AM	#10
billhilly7 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 107	ive seen the tape guys, there was no kicking involved, the man was mouthin off to the sheriff tellin him he had served more time than he has and just being very difficult in general, the sound on the tape isnt to good but clearly someone said "get up" and the man was in the process of getting up very fast when he was shot. im not sayin whos right here but ya cant really tell who said get up. plus the man puts the sheriffs life in danger by getting up so fast, couldve had a weapon. another thing is i believe the sheriff would have gone over and cuffed the man b4 putting himself in the potentially dangerous situation of letting the man get up and possibly pulling a weapon.