Its Official ! Who's responsible for Katrina !

WetKnife · 02-13-2006, 08:52 AM

Some board of knuckleheads came to the conclusion that the ones responsible for Katrina are FEMA, President Bush, State and local government. Funny thing is the omittance of the !!!!!!!!! who stayed when they had plenty of time to get out of dodge. I guess these people can now sue and tie up our courts. If God is not at fault it has to be the guy living at 1600 Pennsylavania Avenue ,Washington DC . Time to cut off these deadbeats and get on with our lives.

Rave · 02-13-2006, 09:48 AM

It was a disaster waiting to happen. If blame must be assigned I think it should be devided between local and state gummint.
The fed is involved only after the fact,imo.

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 10:13 AM

How can a natural disaster be blamed on the US government its not like you can stop a hurricane. If anyone is at fault it is the city and the state for allowing the place to be built below a waterline without having put in place the proper protections to protect the city from the flooding. If you think about it you have to sign off on an acknowledgement and get zoning approval to build a house in a flood plain stating that you are knowledgable of the issue and that you accept all responsibility. Now to me it was the city and the state that chose to take the risk with this city so therefore they are ultimately responsible for the damage and the deaths.

Dallas · 02-13-2006, 10:19 AM

What gets me, early on in the reporting of the disaster the press was stating that the Federal government had been giving New Orleans millions to upgrade/repair the levies. But the city spent the monies on other projects. If true, then the city government is primarily at fault for the disaster.

mr mom · 02-13-2006, 10:44 AM

im sorry , when they say get out , you get out !!!!!!! you dont wait to see what is going to happen . if they want to say its the governments falt why dont they blame the oil co's. if the people couldnt get out cause they couldnt pay the high prices of gas why dont they blame them... its only right .
and if you look at it this way , how about the mayor of n.o. thinking if it hits we can get more money out of the fed. government...why should we pay for something when we can get it for nothing.

Beer Forever · 02-13-2006, 11:05 AM

They're not blaming the government for the hurrican, they're blaming the government for doing nothing about the people who dieing before our very eyes on TV. It took five days before the government did anything!!! That is NOT acceptible. What if it was your family who was stranded on the streets who had no water or food. Then it would be a different sotry. COme on, FEMA was pathetic and did not do their jobs and you can not deny that.:smash:

burd1959 · 02-13-2006, 11:08 AM

they knew for years the pumps wouldnt work thrue a cat 4 storm city is 12 feet below sea leavie now they want to point fingers n.o take your own blame like burnt houses raise my insurance i dont live in california why should i pay

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sks forever

They're not blaming the government for the hurrican, they're blaming the government for doing nothing about the people who dieing before our very eyes on TV. It took five days before the government did anything!!! That is NOT acceptible. What if it was your family who was stranded on the streets who had no water or food. Then it would be a different sotry. COme on, FEMA was pathetic and did not do their jobs and you can not deny that.:smash:

Like others said it's not the governments responsibility to have gotten those fools who chose to ride it out -out -- they had almost 2 weeks warning that this storm was coming in and they did nothing to protect themselves. As to the idea about my family I can say that we are smart enough to take the warnings and look to a safe place to ride things out even if that means packing up and getting out with the possibility of it not taking place.

As to the food and water issue also not the problem of the government but the mayor had 1 million mre's waiting in the stadium.

Beer Forever · 02-13-2006, 11:32 AM

I understand that it was the people of N.O. who did not do their part and left themselves in danger, but the government's responsiblity is to protect their people from danger. OF course the people should not have been there, but they were and it took over five days for the government's rescuers to do anything about it. You can't think the gov. did an ample job of helping its people. Come on, you have to admit it. The government is not any individuals here on the forum so don't get offended if it is not perfect. The gov does stuff that is not perfect and there is nothing low people on the todom pole like use can do about it.

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 11:48 AM

If you want to cast blame on the Government - Nagin and the Governor were the one's who in countless interviews at the beginning said they did not need help and the fed's cannot step in when they are not asked for assistance. Now the last time I checked it is not the governments responsibility to protect you it is your own and this means being smart enough to get out. Some of you who are quick to cast blame automatically think that its the gov's job and if they fail its thier fault. What happened to relying on your own brains to take warnings and leave before you are in a bad position>

Beer Forever · 02-13-2006, 11:57 AM

I'll tell you, you and I are smart enough to not be in a situation like that. But, when private people, like you and I, are there doing anything in our power to help while FEMA was not there. That is FEMA's job you know. Also, FEMA is part of the government. So it is the government's responsibility. Disaster relief is deffinatly the the government's job, that is why the government has and pays for FEMA. Now if the government did theit job and put a qualified man or woman in charge of its disaster felief wing then maybe it wouldn't have been as bad. The people should not have been there, there is no denying that, but don't you think instead of watching people die disaster relief could have done something? That is their job, they are part of the government, hense the government did not do their jobs. Red Cross was there before the government and Red Cross is all volunteers. I am not bashing on you Shaun or what you think, I am just stating my personal views as is my constitutional right. Also, yes Nagin is insane and is part to blame, a big part.

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 12:10 PM

No offense taken SKS -- now tell me if you would leave if someone comes to your door and says there is a storm coming and we want you to evacuate at the least 100 miles. Of course this is if you have already made the choice that you are going to ignore the news services and others warning that the storm will cause major damage? My guess is that you are going to resist and say its my home and my choice leave. Now you blame FEMA for not being there again its a federal organization that requires the locals to request help before the boundries and jurisdiction can be granted. As to the issue of private citizens and charity organizations showing up first they do not have to respect the jurisdiction of the state and they can step across lines. The last time I checked I do not want the fed's trying to trump states rightsjust because people are unwilling to fend for themselves when they make a poor choice.

Beer Forever · 02-13-2006, 12:29 PM

There is no doubt that is was a poor choice to stay, but once the terrible sights on TV were broadcasted, it is FEMA's job to do their part and provide disaster relief. They did not do it for over five days. One or two days, that is pushing it, but when I turn on the TV after four days and see people begging for food, water, and the basic neccesities to live and the only people who are there are the red cross and the media and President Bush is on vacationing at his get away, it does not make the government look very good. After seeing the conditions they were stuck to live in, it was not cool. Also, many of those people are dirt poor and had no way evacuating. That was not their fault. They should have been provided buses and transportation before that cane hit. It was ONLY afterwards when they were provided the evacuation transprtation. Who's duty was it to provide that transportation before the cane hit NAGIN. I think we can all agree that they were not even close to being prepared for what happened. They did not take it suriously, but it was not only the people who did not take it seriously it was the governemnt. Had the government did their job and be prepared there would have been transportation before it hit and FEMA ready on stand-by waiting. WHen the cane after that one hit you can bet FEMA was there waiting to go in seconds after it hit. THey learend from their mistakes. Otherwise they wouldn't have been on stand-by after the big one after that one hit. (I forgot the name of that storm)

mr mom · 02-13-2006, 12:30 PM

you know we had a train derailment here in our town 30 yrs. ago. ok , we are a small town , but when they came to the door and said get out you grabbed the dog and a gun ( of your choice) and got the !!!! out !!! no questions asked . you came back when they said it was all clear. end of story !!!!
now for the feds and their responce....from what i understand there is a chain of comand... im sure its like every place else. the state can not go in and tell a county what to do. they cane only come in when invited by the county and the same for the state...they say when they want the feds to step in ... the mayor is a dem, the gov. is a dem and the pres. is a repblican. ok , how much of this is all pollitics.... eveybody and their brother is looking to put the blame on bush... i dont like have the stuff he dose , but he was voted in and we have to live with it . i bet anything it would have been diffrent if ol' hilery klinton would have been incharge. they would have found somebody else to blame....

everything fell apart at the local level , face it .....

Beer Forever · 02-13-2006, 12:32 PM

Everything fell apart at all levels of government. The federal government can overide all state governments and step in at anytime and make it martial law. Nobody was ready. Yes, Bush is a larger target and caught a lot of heat. Either way, there is nothing we can do about it now but learn from it and be ready to help our fellow Americans in the future. Ido believe money, class, and race had something to do with it too. Just my thoughts.

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 12:41 PM

Mr Mom is right SKS the local governments wanted to try things on their own -- I know that those who have thier hands out waiting for for the government dime to go spend on a drink will always say its the governments fault for not looking out for them but thats life. I am still a proponent of states right and that means that no matter what the case you can't supperceed the rights of a state. Think of it this way do you want the FBI being able to walk in and help them selves to any local law enforcement issue? I kind of doubt that the local police/sheriff's department would be too happy with the fed's taking over thier jobs from them.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-13-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

If anyone is at fault it is the city and the state for allowing the place to be built below a waterline

And wasn't it the French who did that way way back in the 18th century?

Shaun · 02-13-2006, 01:06 PM

True BRG but how many times has the city been rebuilt and all the new homes being added.

BattleRifleG3 · 02-13-2006, 01:15 PM

It's a vicious cycle...

mr mom · 02-13-2006, 01:44 PM

ok guys , hold on while i put my hood on !!!! why do they say it a race thing ?????? this thing hit all along the coast. but why is it just in n.o. that its a race thing. did the u.s. goverment have a bullseye on that part of the state ????? i dont think so... has anybody herd the news from shitcago ???? they are after the past govener for coruption and anybody that had ties with him... it goes on here and it went on there .....it goes on everywhere.... so why blame the feds.... the locals want the money handed to them and they want to spen it where they want and dont have to count for it . its theirs and they will do what they want . who is the goverment to tell them what to do ......

02-13-2006, 08:52 AM	#1
WetKnife Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 239	Its Official ! Who's responsible for Katrina ! Some board of knuckleheads came to the conclusion that the ones responsible for Katrina are FEMA, President Bush, State and local government. Funny thing is the omittance of the !!!!!!!!! who stayed when they had plenty of time to get out of dodge. I guess these people can now sue and tie up our courts. If God is not at fault it has to be the guy living at 1600 Pennsylavania Avenue ,Washington DC . Time to cut off these deadbeats and get on with our lives.

02-13-2006, 09:48 AM	#2
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 7,053	It was a disaster waiting to happen. If blame must be assigned I think it should be devided between local and state gummint. The fed is involved only after the fact,imo. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

02-13-2006, 10:13 AM	#3
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	How can a natural disaster be blamed on the US government its not like you can stop a hurricane. If anyone is at fault it is the city and the state for allowing the place to be built below a waterline without having put in place the proper protections to protect the city from the flooding. If you think about it you have to sign off on an acknowledgement and get zoning approval to build a house in a flood plain stating that you are knowledgable of the issue and that you accept all responsibility. Now to me it was the city and the state that chose to take the risk with this city so therefore they are ultimately responsible for the damage and the deaths. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-13-2006, 11:05 AM	#6
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	They're not blaming the government for the hurrican, they're blaming the government for doing nothing about the people who dieing before our very eyes on TV. It took five days before the government did anything!!! That is NOT acceptible. What if it was your family who was stranded on the streets who had no water or food. Then it would be a different sotry. COme on, FEMA was pathetic and did not do their jobs and you can not deny that.:smash: __________________ Paramedic sks forever

02-13-2006, 11:32 AM	#9
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	I understand that it was the people of N.O. who did not do their part and left themselves in danger, but the government's responsiblity is to protect their people from danger. OF course the people should not have been there, but they were and it took over five days for the government's rescuers to do anything about it. You can't think the gov. did an ample job of helping its people. Come on, you have to admit it. The government is not any individuals here on the forum so don't get offended if it is not perfect. The gov does stuff that is not perfect and there is nothing low people on the todom pole like use can do about it. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

02-13-2006, 10:19 AM	#4
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,609	What gets me, early on in the reporting of the disaster the press was stating that the Federal government had been giving New Orleans millions to upgrade/repair the levies. But the city spent the monies on other projects. If true, then the city government is primarily at fault for the disaster.

02-13-2006, 10:44 AM	#5
mr mom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 222	im sorry , when they say get out , you get out !!!!!!! you dont wait to see what is going to happen . if they want to say its the governments falt why dont they blame the oil co's. if the people couldnt get out cause they couldnt pay the high prices of gas why dont they blame them... its only right . and if you look at it this way , how about the mayor of n.o. thinking if it hits we can get more money out of the fed. government...why should we pay for something when we can get it for nothing.

02-13-2006, 11:08 AM	#7
burd1959 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: burton michigan Posts: 608	they knew for years the pumps wouldnt work thrue a cat 4 storm city is 12 feet below sea leavie now they want to point fingers n.o take your own blame like burnt houses raise my insurance i dont live in california why should i pay

02-13-2006, 11:48 AM	#10
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	If you want to cast blame on the Government - Nagin and the Governor were the one's who in countless interviews at the beginning said they did not need help and the fed's cannot step in when they are not asked for assistance. Now the last time I checked it is not the governments responsibility to protect you it is your own and this means being smart enough to get out. Some of you who are quick to cast blame automatically think that its the gov's job and if they fail its thier fault. What happened to relying on your own brains to take warnings and leave before you are in a bad position> __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-13-2006, 11:57 AM	#11
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	I'll tell you, you and I are smart enough to not be in a situation like that. But, when private people, like you and I, are there doing anything in our power to help while FEMA was not there. That is FEMA's job you know. Also, FEMA is part of the government. So it is the government's responsibility. Disaster relief is deffinatly the the government's job, that is why the government has and pays for FEMA. Now if the government did theit job and put a qualified man or woman in charge of its disaster felief wing then maybe it wouldn't have been as bad. The people should not have been there, there is no denying that, but don't you think instead of watching people die disaster relief could have done something? That is their job, they are part of the government, hense the government did not do their jobs. Red Cross was there before the government and Red Cross is all volunteers. I am not bashing on you Shaun or what you think, I am just stating my personal views as is my constitutional right. Also, yes Nagin is insane and is part to blame, a big part. __________________ Paramedic sks forever

02-13-2006, 12:10 PM	#12
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	No offense taken SKS -- now tell me if you would leave if someone comes to your door and says there is a storm coming and we want you to evacuate at the least 100 miles. Of course this is if you have already made the choice that you are going to ignore the news services and others warning that the storm will cause major damage? My guess is that you are going to resist and say its my home and my choice leave. Now you blame FEMA for not being there again its a federal organization that requires the locals to request help before the boundries and jurisdiction can be granted. As to the issue of private citizens and charity organizations showing up first they do not have to respect the jurisdiction of the state and they can step across lines. The last time I checked I do not want the fed's trying to trump states rightsjust because people are unwilling to fend for themselves when they make a poor choice. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-13-2006, 12:29 PM	#13
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	There is no doubt that is was a poor choice to stay, but once the terrible sights on TV were broadcasted, it is FEMA's job to do their part and provide disaster relief. They did not do it for over five days. One or two days, that is pushing it, but when I turn on the TV after four days and see people begging for food, water, and the basic neccesities to live and the only people who are there are the red cross and the media and President Bush is on vacationing at his get away, it does not make the government look very good. After seeing the conditions they were stuck to live in, it was not cool. Also, many of those people are dirt poor and had no way evacuating. That was not their fault. They should have been provided buses and transportation before that cane hit. It was ONLY afterwards when they were provided the evacuation transprtation. Who's duty was it to provide that transportation before the cane hit NAGIN. I think we can all agree that they were not even close to being prepared for what happened. They did not take it suriously, but it was not only the people who did not take it seriously it was the governemnt. Had the government did their job and be prepared there would have been transportation before it hit and FEMA ready on stand-by waiting. WHen the cane after that one hit you can bet FEMA was there waiting to go in seconds after it hit. THey learend from their mistakes. Otherwise they wouldn't have been on stand-by after the big one after that one hit. (I forgot the name of that storm) __________________ Paramedic sks forever

02-13-2006, 12:30 PM	#14
mr mom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 222	you know we had a train derailment here in our town 30 yrs. ago. ok , we are a small town , but when they came to the door and said get out you grabbed the dog and a gun ( of your choice) and got the !!!! out !!! no questions asked . you came back when they said it was all clear. end of story !!!! now for the feds and their responce....from what i understand there is a chain of comand... im sure its like every place else. the state can not go in and tell a county what to do. they cane only come in when invited by the county and the same for the state...they say when they want the feds to step in ... the mayor is a dem, the gov. is a dem and the pres. is a repblican. ok , how much of this is all pollitics.... eveybody and their brother is looking to put the blame on bush... i dont like have the stuff he dose , but he was voted in and we have to live with it . i bet anything it would have been diffrent if ol' hilery klinton would have been incharge. they would have found somebody else to blame.... everything fell apart at the local level , face it .....

02-13-2006, 12:32 PM	#15
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,718	Everything fell apart at all levels of government. The federal government can overide all state governments and step in at anytime and make it martial law. Nobody was ready. Yes, Bush is a larger target and caught a lot of heat. Either way, there is nothing we can do about it now but learn from it and be ready to help our fellow Americans in the future. Ido believe money, class, and race had something to do with it too. Just my thoughts. __________________ Paramedic sks forever Last edited by Beer Forever; 02-13-2006 at 12:35 PM.

02-13-2006, 12:41 PM	#16
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	Mr Mom is right SKS the local governments wanted to try things on their own -- I know that those who have thier hands out waiting for for the government dime to go spend on a drink will always say its the governments fault for not looking out for them but thats life. I am still a proponent of states right and that means that no matter what the case you can't supperceed the rights of a state. Think of it this way do you want the FBI being able to walk in and help them selves to any local law enforcement issue? I kind of doubt that the local police/sheriff's department would be too happy with the fed's taking over thier jobs from them. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-13-2006, 01:06 PM	#18
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	True BRG but how many times has the city been rebuilt and all the new homes being added. __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

02-13-2006, 01:15 PM	#19
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,454 Images: 13	It's a vicious cycle... __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

02-13-2006, 01:44 PM	#20
mr mom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 222	ok guys , hold on while i put my hood on !!!! why do they say it a race thing ?????? this thing hit all along the coast. but why is it just in n.o. that its a race thing. did the u.s. goverment have a bullseye on that part of the state ????? i dont think so... has anybody herd the news from shitcago ???? they are after the past govener for coruption and anybody that had ties with him... it goes on here and it went on there .....it goes on everywhere.... so why blame the feds.... the locals want the money handed to them and they want to spen it where they want and dont have to count for it . its theirs and they will do what they want . who is the goverment to tell them what to do ......