Concealed weapons in cars

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-31-2002, 05:23 PM

Should it be illegal for you to have a concealed weapon while driving your car. This could be in your jacket, glovebox, under the seat, next to the seat under a shirt etc...

My thinking is a hidden weapon is of no danger unless it is picked up and aimed at someone.

Two related experiences: I had a pistol in company car and was rear ended. I told the HP I had a pistol that was loaded (i think) and had a trigger lock on it and it was in a zippered sleeve under some work manuals in a box. He told me that I was violating the law. I told him I thought could be hidden as long as it was secured(locked up). He said it could not be concealed. I told him I would remove it to the open. He said we would talk later, but we never did. Nothing else was ever said. I even told the sheriff deputy about it and he acted surprised that I was offering this info and even said to leave alone he didn't need to see it. I told him I was just alerting him to the fact, but he really didn't seem to care.

Another story I am stopped one night about 10:30 for a license check on a SC hwy in the middle of nowhere. I told the HP as soon as I opened the window and handed him my DL "I have a pistol by my side" (between the seat/console). He then asked me to place hands on wheel, reached in to get the pistol and asked if I had a CCW. I told him the pistol was not concealed. He asked why I had it. I told him to protect the family while traveling. He began to tell me that SC you could only transporrt a firearm in the trunk or glovebox and asked where I wanted him to put it. I told him in the glove box which is where I wish to put it but in NC we can't do that. He told me had he been a rookie I could be spending the night in jail. He said it also helped that I told him of the pistol as soon as I opened the window. He was really cool headed as most have been when I am in this situation. One or two may have been a little anal about it.

Klaus · 05-31-2002, 06:18 PM

Well, one of the reasons I got a CHL was so I could easily transport firearms without worrying about this.
PS: My answer to the poll is D. None of the above.

wes · 05-31-2002, 06:32 PM

I see your car as an extension of your house,it happens to be where you are residing at the moment. I think you should be secure in your constitutional rights there also.

Eric · 05-31-2002, 07:00 PM

A buddy of mine and I were going thru SC. We got pulled over, my Buddy was driving. When the HP got to the window he saw my pistol on the passenger side between the seat and console. He immediately pulled his gun and ordered us out of the car. He moved us to the rear of the vehicle, then got my gun and said, "who's is this?" when I replied mine, he said, "You're going to jail"...it took a whole lot of talking to get out of that. I said I had a CCW permit for it. When I showed it to him, he said that's not SC and I said "I know, but when it was issued to me, they said other states would honor it" He then had to call his supervisor. Basically his supervisor told him to handle it as he saw fit....ALOT of talking later we were on our way. Somewthing is definately wrong in SC

Libertyman777 · 05-31-2002, 07:10 PM

It should be legal and states should honor each others concealed carry laws.

Klaus · 05-31-2002, 07:12 PM

Other states do not have to honor a CCW license, unlike driver's licenses, marriage licenses, etc. You have to check if there is a reciprical agreement with the other states. My Texas CHL is good in about 20 states.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-31-2002, 10:14 PM

I agree with you Wes on the car being an extension of your property and thus the 4th should apply. Isn't that why the cops can't just search your car unless they have probable cause or a warrant, and if there are any LEO's reading this what exactly is defined as probable cause.

I know that being a cop is stressfull and god knows I wouldn't want to have to be pulling over cars I weren't sure of. I wonder where some of this hostility comes from. I mean be safe and approach a car as if I were a criminal (which is what you are supposed to do) but use some common sense. No one is going to tell you they have a pistol and then try to whack you off; and if its hidden, well being out in the open isn't going to stop him from shooting you if he wants.

Where do you suppose these ideas for guns/cars come from? I would like to see the government/states do more in trying to streamline some of these regulations and educate the populace a little better. You know that when you buy a gun there are no reference to any laws concerning the handling of that weapon, except the child law. You would think the government would make sure that you know and understand all the laws before you took it home. It doesn't make much sense to have all these laws but make no effort to educate people on them. Look at how many people think you can just shoot a guy if he breaks into your house. This is untrue unless you can prove you had no other option except to shoot them (in most states).

NRAJOE · 05-31-2002, 11:08 PM

I always carry my .38 taurus in a tote bag next to my seat in my truck,legal or not. Rather be tryed by 12 than carried by 6 !!!

06-01-2002, 10:35 AM

I have a license to carry..but I believe in my state your vehicle is considered your domain

Snakebite · 06-01-2002, 04:46 PM

I once had almost all of my guns taken from me that were in a truck that I wasnt even driving. Me and two other guys went shooting for the day and on the way home I was driving my truck and my buddies were driving a company truck. They got pulled over on the way home and I had a German 8mm behind the seat, a Ruger .357 and a Colt.45 under the seat and a Ruger Mk II in the glove box. All of the guns were in a holster except for the 8mm. They seized all the guns and impounded the company truck. The driver went to jail until the next day. It took me a little over 2 months of going to court to get my guns released back to me and explaining to the judge that the driver didnt know I had all the guns in the truck. The funny part was that the .22 that was in the glove box was NOT considered to be concealed but all the other ones were. It was sure hard to tell my boss on Monday morning that his truck was in the impound yard. My days at that job were very numbered after that.

Oxford · 06-01-2002, 09:34 PM

I don't have a FFL but would welcome the opportunity to do so if MO legislators would get their heads out of the sand.

When going to/from the range why not put all guns in a lockable box in your trunk? Then label the box as guns. In addition, put a tag on the outside of the locked box with your name and FFL number, if available.

Can't see how that would be considered as a threat to any reasonable LEO.

Oxford

Shaun · 06-03-2002, 05:48 PM

I carry everywhere and the car included the two times I have had to rely on my carry gun was while i was in my truck so it makes sense to have it in the car

BenP · 06-03-2002, 07:14 PM

With privilege comes responsibility. In most states, CCW law says you have to be wearing the firearm, which means it has to be contained in something that you wear, like a holster, a fanny pack, inside your belt, etc. If I don't feel like wearing my gun on me while I'm driving(a glock 21 is a little bulky), I put it in a fanny pack and put the strap around my leg loosely. That way, I'm still wearing the firearm, but I'm more comfortable. In pickup trucks in Washington, you can transport an unloaded rifle or shotgun in a gun rack as long as it's unloaded and the breech or action is open.

Too bad it's still a taboo for men to wear purses. Women can pack in theirs, and then just throw the thing in the passenger seat on the way home. If they get pulled over, they can say they were wearing it but took it off to retrieve their id or something.

In the unlikely event I am pulled over, I just hand my CCW to the cop along with my driver's license. I figure he'll realize I'm packing, then he won't be too surprised if he sees it.

Oxford · 06-03-2002, 08:13 PM

I would like to have that problem in MO. So far I just read about what happens in other states. No CCW here yet but in due course I'm hoping our legislators will wake up.

Oxford

NRAJOE · 06-03-2002, 11:09 PM

An armed society is a polite society

Chris · 06-03-2002, 11:18 PM

One problem, I see a lot is that if a cop thinks/knows you are packing, then he is more prone to be tougher on you, just my expierences with them, and they are limited expierences I might add

E-9 · 06-03-2002, 11:26 PM

I have a ccw and I carry a M1911 or A1 every day of my life. I have a hard time understanding why people in some states are not permitted to protect themselves. Oh yes, and that includes
sunday too.

.............................................E-9 ..................................

Calvin · 06-04-2002, 08:52 AM

Since I carry one for a living anyway, and am going to the police academy in September, I'm not too worried about getting pulled over with my gun. However, I just wish Ohio would wake up to the fact that civillians have the same right to self-defense as police officers do, especially in a car on a desolate highway far from home. JMHO

Shaun · 06-04-2002, 11:44 AM

Chris you may have read of bad experiences many times even when I made T stops when I found out someone was packing legally I usually BS'd with them and let them off with a warning for the traffic issue. Most CCW holders are the most responsible of our citizens and they are always of assistance to LEO's

Oxford · 06-04-2002, 01:29 PM

This morning at my weekly Rotary Club meeting I talked face to face with my state legislator. He reported on the action of the recently adjourned state legislature in MO.

I asked him point blank if he voted for the proposed CCW bill which had been presented to him. He chickened out saying that he voted no because the proposed bill allowed guns to be carried in churches and schools. Otherwise, he said he favored passage and thought the mood swing in MO was very definitely to favor passage.

I have a hard time understanding why this proposed state legislation included some kind of red flag clause unless it was intended to do just what it did in this case.

Too many legislators probably felt the same way and this tactic has just become a way to stall or delay passage of a CCW law in Missouri.

Oxford

View Poll Results: How do you view guns in a car?
A gun is inanimate and can do no harm unless pointed at someone and matters not if it is in plain site or hidden.	16	94.12%
You should follow state laws bc they wil keep you from doing bad things with your gun.	0	0%
You should not have a gun in your car unless you have a CCW.	1	5.88%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

05-31-2002, 05:23 PM	#1
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	Concealed weapons in cars Should it be illegal for you to have a concealed weapon while driving your car. This could be in your jacket, glovebox, under the seat, next to the seat under a shirt etc... My thinking is a hidden weapon is of no danger unless it is picked up and aimed at someone. Two related experiences: I had a pistol in company car and was rear ended. I told the HP I had a pistol that was loaded (i think) and had a trigger lock on it and it was in a zippered sleeve under some work manuals in a box. He told me that I was violating the law. I told him I thought could be hidden as long as it was secured(locked up). He said it could not be concealed. I told him I would remove it to the open. He said we would talk later, but we never did. Nothing else was ever said. I even told the sheriff deputy about it and he acted surprised that I was offering this info and even said to leave alone he didn't need to see it. I told him I was just alerting him to the fact, but he really didn't seem to care. Another story I am stopped one night about 10:30 for a license check on a SC hwy in the middle of nowhere. I told the HP as soon as I opened the window and handed him my DL "I have a pistol by my side" (between the seat/console). He then asked me to place hands on wheel, reached in to get the pistol and asked if I had a CCW. I told him the pistol was not concealed. He asked why I had it. I told him to protect the family while traveling. He began to tell me that SC you could only transporrt a firearm in the trunk or glovebox and asked where I wanted him to put it. I told him in the glove box which is where I wish to put it but in NC we can't do that. He told me had he been a rookie I could be spending the night in jail. He said it also helped that I told him of the pistol as soon as I opened the window. He was really cool headed as most have been when I am in this situation. One or two may have been a little anal about it. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

05-31-2002, 06:18 PM	#2
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,382	Well, one of the reasons I got a CHL was so I could easily transport firearms without worrying about this. PS: My answer to the poll is D. None of the above. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

05-31-2002, 07:00 PM	#4
Eric Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 673	A buddy of mine and I were going thru SC. We got pulled over, my Buddy was driving. When the HP got to the window he saw my pistol on the passenger side between the seat and console. He immediately pulled his gun and ordered us out of the car. He moved us to the rear of the vehicle, then got my gun and said, "who's is this?" when I replied mine, he said, "You're going to jail"...it took a whole lot of talking to get out of that. I said I had a CCW permit for it. When I showed it to him, he said that's not SC and I said "I know, but when it was issued to me, they said other states would honor it" He then had to call his supervisor. Basically his supervisor told him to handle it as he saw fit....ALOT of talking later we were on our way. Somewthing is definately wrong in SC __________________ I told him straight up, "You are an idiot for bringing those two fists to this gun fight."

05-31-2002, 07:10 PM	#5
Libertyman777 Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 16	It should be legal and states should honor each others concealed carry laws. __________________ We will find a way or make one. Hannibal Be modest, a lot was accomplished before you were born. What does not kill me makes me stronger. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

05-31-2002, 06:32 PM	#3
wes Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Loveland Co Posts: 1,905	I see your car as an extension of your house,it happens to be where you are residing at the moment. I think you should be secure in your constitutional rights there also.

05-31-2002, 07:12 PM	#6
Klaus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 2,382	Other states do not have to honor a CCW license, unlike driver's licenses, marriage licenses, etc. You have to check if there is a reciprical agreement with the other states. My Texas CHL is good in about 20 states. __________________ "Gee, Wally, Eddie Haskel's mom puts out!"

05-31-2002, 10:14 PM	#7
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	I agree with you Wes on the car being an extension of your property and thus the 4th should apply. Isn't that why the cops can't just search your car unless they have probable cause or a warrant, and if there are any LEO's reading this what exactly is defined as probable cause. I know that being a cop is stressfull and god knows I wouldn't want to have to be pulling over cars I weren't sure of. I wonder where some of this hostility comes from. I mean be safe and approach a car as if I were a criminal (which is what you are supposed to do) but use some common sense. No one is going to tell you they have a pistol and then try to whack you off; and if its hidden, well being out in the open isn't going to stop him from shooting you if he wants. Where do you suppose these ideas for guns/cars come from? I would like to see the government/states do more in trying to streamline some of these regulations and educate the populace a little better. You know that when you buy a gun there are no reference to any laws concerning the handling of that weapon, except the child law. You would think the government would make sure that you know and understand all the laws before you took it home. It doesn't make much sense to have all these laws but make no effort to educate people on them. Look at how many people think you can just shoot a guy if he breaks into your house. This is untrue unless you can prove you had no other option except to shoot them (in most states). __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

05-31-2002, 11:08 PM	#8
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,252 Images: 3	I always carry my .38 taurus in a tote bag next to my seat in my truck,legal or not. Rather be tryed by 12 than carried by 6 !!! __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

06-01-2002, 10:35 AM	#9
Logansdad Guest Posts: n/a	I have a license to carry..but I believe in my state your vehicle is considered your domain

06-01-2002, 04:46 PM	#10
Snakebite Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tucson, Mexico Posts: 1,844	I once had almost all of my guns taken from me that were in a truck that I wasnt even driving. Me and two other guys went shooting for the day and on the way home I was driving my truck and my buddies were driving a company truck. They got pulled over on the way home and I had a German 8mm behind the seat, a Ruger .357 and a Colt.45 under the seat and a Ruger Mk II in the glove box. All of the guns were in a holster except for the 8mm. They seized all the guns and impounded the company truck. The driver went to jail until the next day. It took me a little over 2 months of going to court to get my guns released back to me and explaining to the judge that the driver didnt know I had all the guns in the truck. The funny part was that the .22 that was in the glove box was NOT considered to be concealed but all the other ones were. It was sure hard to tell my boss on Monday morning that his truck was in the impound yard. My days at that job were very numbered after that.

06-01-2002, 09:34 PM	#11
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	Just asking a simple question I don't have a FFL but would welcome the opportunity to do so if MO legislators would get their heads out of the sand. When going to/from the range why not put all guns in a lockable box in your trunk? Then label the box as guns. In addition, put a tag on the outside of the locked box with your name and FFL number, if available. Can't see how that would be considered as a threat to any reasonable LEO. Oxford __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

06-03-2002, 05:48 PM	#12
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	I carry everywhere and the car included the two times I have had to rely on my carry gun was while i was in my truck so it makes sense to have it in the car __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-03-2002, 07:14 PM	#13
BenP Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 395	With privilege comes responsibility. In most states, CCW law says you have to be wearing the firearm, which means it has to be contained in something that you wear, like a holster, a fanny pack, inside your belt, etc. If I don't feel like wearing my gun on me while I'm driving(a glock 21 is a little bulky), I put it in a fanny pack and put the strap around my leg loosely. That way, I'm still wearing the firearm, but I'm more comfortable. In pickup trucks in Washington, you can transport an unloaded rifle or shotgun in a gun rack as long as it's unloaded and the breech or action is open. Too bad it's still a taboo for men to wear purses. Women can pack in theirs, and then just throw the thing in the passenger seat on the way home. If they get pulled over, they can say they were wearing it but took it off to retrieve their id or something. In the unlikely event I am pulled over, I just hand my CCW to the cop along with my driver's license. I figure he'll realize I'm packing, then he won't be too surprised if he sees it.

06-03-2002, 08:13 PM	#14
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	I'd like to have that problem. I would like to have that problem in MO. So far I just read about what happens in other states. No CCW here yet but in due course I'm hoping our legislators will wake up. Oxford __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

06-03-2002, 11:09 PM	#15
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,252 Images: 3	An armed society is a polite society __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

06-03-2002, 11:18 PM	#16
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,259 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 20	One problem, I see a lot is that if a cop thinks/knows you are packing, then he is more prone to be tougher on you, just my expierences with them, and they are limited expierences I might add __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles! NRA Life Member

06-03-2002, 11:26 PM	#17
E-9 Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 42	I have a ccw and I carry a M1911 or A1 every day of my life. I have a hard time understanding why people in some states are not permitted to protect themselves. Oh yes, and that includes sunday too. .............................................E-9 .................................. __________________ E-9

06-04-2002, 08:52 AM	#18
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,038	Since I carry one for a living anyway, and am going to the police academy in September, I'm not too worried about getting pulled over with my gun. However, I just wish Ohio would wake up to the fact that civillians have the same right to self-defense as police officers do, especially in a car on a desolate highway far from home. JMHO __________________ If you don't like cops, call your local crackhead for help next time!

06-04-2002, 11:44 AM	#19
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	Chris you may have read of bad experiences many times even when I made T stops when I found out someone was packing legally I usually BS'd with them and let them off with a warning for the traffic issue. Most CCW holders are the most responsible of our citizens and they are always of assistance to LEO's __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

06-04-2002, 01:29 PM	#20
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	Talked today with my state rep regarding CCW This morning at my weekly Rotary Club meeting I talked face to face with my state legislator. He reported on the action of the recently adjourned state legislature in MO. I asked him point blank if he voted for the proposed CCW bill which had been presented to him. He chickened out saying that he voted no because the proposed bill allowed guns to be carried in churches and schools. Otherwise, he said he favored passage and thought the mood swing in MO was very definitely to favor passage. I have a hard time understanding why this proposed state legislation included some kind of red flag clause unless it was intended to do just what it did in this case. Too many legislators probably felt the same way and this tactic has just become a way to stall or delay passage of a CCW law in Missouri. Oxford __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".