[Rave]

Years ago while listening to Rush Limbaugh trumpeting about how we needed and simply must have NAFTA I asked a question.
When the illegals made the news and we were told that we needed them I asked the same question.
When the outsourcing of our jobs finally made the news I asked again the same question.
When the sale of our seaports made the news I again asked the question to no avail,my question being"How does this benefit America and her citizens?"
On Fnc today I heard that the smart people in America think this sale is OK.
I also suppose that there are a number of rich and powerful people are making a hugh profit from the inflow of illegals and the outflow of American jobs.
I suppose those are the smart people that think this is all OK.
To that I ask "how does this benefit America and her citizens?"
They also said on FNC that we should treat those Arabs that are buying the ports fairly,to that I ask,"How about treating us Americans fairly too?"
I guess I am not one of the smart ones as I simply can't see how any of this benefits America or any of her citizens.

[WetKnife]

Yep ! Almost nothing benefits anybody no more . Except if you are rich and have friends in high places.

[Outriderdark]

I believe NAFTA was a bum deal. The socio-economic discrepencies between the US and Mexico are too great. I agree that was to benefit large corporations.
Illegal immigrants cause major problems and need to be dealt with, however LEGAL immigration has always benefitted the US and is necessary.
Outsourcing is obviously to benefit large corporations as it has little benefit to anyone else.
The seaports weren't sold by us last month, they were sold by a British holding company. Shipping is a business like anything else and gets bought and sold by many companies from many places. Maritime shipping isn't a government owned enterprise. While it may argued that certain fundamental businesses should be domestically owned, this particular sale is "ok" because it doesn't make any difference one way or the other which foreign entity owns it.
Outsourcing benefits large corporations, however illegal immigrants mostly benefit agriculture and service industry which may be large or small.

The problem is, we need to globalize to a certain extent or we'll lose our economic power. We'll end up an unimportant second rate player. It's a matter of how to do it. And I agree it hasn't been done very well so far.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Rave, the answer is clear...none of that bull helps America or Her citizens. The only winners are those smart folks, the ones who continue to abuse thier workers without whom, they would have never been in such lofty positions nor would they be so smart without those other smart folks to help them disinfrancise more Americans. It sucks, for sure but, it is us, ultimatly who are responsible. we continue to allow it by continueing to vote for and not recalling or otherwise removeing those who are clearly not considering what is best for us and America. The founding Fathers would have called them traitors....we call them elected officials. Go figure.

[iflylow74]

I hate to say it but Ross Perot was right. He said if NAFTA passed, there would be a large sucking sound from all the jobs leaving the US.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

As nutty a fruit cake as he was, he still was right on that point

[Rave]

I am still watching the TV,CNN,FNC,local,the question has not been asked nor answered.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

i doubt it will ever be asked by the media, our governemnt or anyone other than us. however, you can get another type of answer as to why if you just follow the money.

[Rave]

I guess,dam.

[Lord Shrike]

Thing is NAFTA was supposed to reduce Illegal Immagration. The theory goes something like this. If jobs are exported to Mexico and to a lesser extent Canada than those people will be able to make money in those nations ergo eliminateing there need to immigrate to the US for work. Plus they will have the money to buy US goods. So what went wrong? I here about US jobs going south of the border all the time. I also hear about record immigration. How can we have both? there is a variable that was not factored into this equation......what do you think it is?

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lord Shrike

=If jobs are exported to Mexico ...... people will be able to make money in those nations ergo eliminateing there need to immigrate to the US for work....... So what went wrong? I here about US jobs going south of the border all the time. I also hear about record immigration. there is a variable that was not factored into this equation......what do you think it is?

Two scenarios to consider:

1) The fact that the quest for the almighty $ was when these companies went down there they did not pay American wages thus the people there do not make enough money to buy US goods, Though they probably do make enough to live on the mexican economy just not as well as if they were here.

2) when a man can come here illegaly and and make enough money to send home and live here and not to mention he can bring his family here and live better plus get all the freebies we hand out. Then why stay in Mexico?

3) simply not enough jobs there.

[Rave]

Still watching the TV to see if the question is brought up as to how all this business will benefit America of the citizens.
All the governors of the port deal affected states are against it except Jeb Bush of Florida who says that he believes the president has a plan and will do the right thing.
As per finding out how this will help us,I am not holding my breath.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Lord Shrike

Thing is NAFTA was supposed to reduce Illegal Immagration. The theory goes something like this. If jobs are exported to Mexico and to a lesser extent Canada than those people will be able to make money in those nations ergo eliminateing there need to immigrate to the US for work. Plus they will have the money to buy US goods. So what went wrong? I here about US jobs going south of the border all the time. I also hear about record immigration. How can we have both? there is a variable that was not factored into this equation......what do you think it is?

I think the whole line is bull and has always been bull. The real plan was to screw America and Her workers so that the evil ones could gain power and more money. They don't care about anything but makeing themselves more rich and if America suffers, well, to them, that's just fine....who cares? Sure ain't them! They got the money!

[Rave]

That seems to be the case,guess we will just watch the band play on. :guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

[Rave]

Let me sum this up then I will quit beating this poor dead horse.
All I want,among all the BS and hype on the media,is for someone,on the air,to ask the question and for someone to answer it,hasn't happened yet.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

you want answers, well, here, here's your answer :

Dubai funds Neil Bush's company

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Investors from the United Arab Emirates helped fund the $23 million Neil Bush raised for Ignite!, the learning systems company that holds lucrative No Child Left Behind Act contracts in Florida and Texas. The "Cow" is an Ignite! portable computer designed to work in a classroom, providing interactive instruction aimed at improving students' scores on standardized tests. If you loved Billy Carter and "Billy Beer," you're certain to love Neil Bush and the "Ignite! Cow."

Neil Bush's frequent travels to Dubai are documented by Datamatix, a Dubai-based information technology company that has featured Neil Bush as a speaker. The Datamatix website features several prominent photographs of Neil Bush addressing a Dubai conference, identifying Neil Bush as "the brother of U.S. President George Bush."


Dubai's Datamatix appears to be bipartisan, as the company's website also shows Dubai appearances of various Democratic Party luminaries including Al Gore (with and without a beard), Sandy Berger – the National Security Adviser under President Clinton who achieved fame by stuffing classified documents in his socks – and Howard Dean, the current Democratic National Committee chairman. The site also shows photographs of Tipper Gore and John Sununu receiving "Token of Appreciation" awards in Dubai from Datamatix. Anti-Bush Internet websites have been touting the Neil Bush connection with Dubai for months, although the story has been largely shut out of the mainstream media. (See Debbie Schlussel's Feb. 23, 2006, column, "Something's Rotten in Dubai.")

Now, any questions?