Teen arrested for PICTURE of him with guns

Outriderdark · 02-24-2006, 01:21 AM

Unfortunately, the gubmint is keeping more and more records. Especially the Feds...even the ones they're supposed to destroy by law keep popping up.
There was some congressional hearings about it a while back if I recall correctly..

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 01:55 AM

Great idea, Shaun. Sue the school, funded by thousands of taxpayers, because they suspended someone and did nothing more than tell the cops. I'm sick of reading in the first paragraph of every news story whether or not they are pressing charges. We're paying for these judges and courts, in case you've forgotten. I don't agree that they took the right action. I go to a school of adults, and lots of my classmates know I have an AK-47. To top it off, I have an old Michigan State Police Chevy Tahoe. Sure, you could speculate that I've got malicious intent. On the other hand, I've got a great vehicle and have a real passion for killing woodchucks. I sure wouldn't like to be arrested because of what I COULD do.

This story reminded me of a little quote... "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I've seen it here before. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is where I picked it up.

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cmoore

Great idea, Shaun. Sue the school, funded by thousands of taxpayers, because they suspended someone and did nothing more than tell the cops. I'm sick of reading in the first paragraph of every news story whether or not they are pressing charges. We're paying for these judges and courts, in case you've forgotten. I don't agree that they took the right action. I go to a school of adults, and lots of my classmates know I have an AK-47. To top it off, I have an old Michigan State Police Chevy Tahoe. Sure, you could speculate that I've got malicious intent. On the other hand, I've got a great vehicle and have a real passion for killing woodchucks. I sure wouldn't like to be arrested because of what I COULD do.
This story reminded me of a little quote... "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I've seen it here before. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is where I picked it up.

An adult simply owning a gun and a car can't reasonably or logically be equated with a teenager posing with nine rifles and calling himself "Angel o' Death, on Wings o' Lead",. Particularly when his school is in the same school district as the high school where the Columbine massacre took place, and the kids who did those killings posted threats on the internet first.

If you think posing for that kind of picture is normal, safe behavior for a teenager, I don't want my kids anywhere within miles of your kids. Assuming you live long enough to have any, that is.

And quoting Benjamin Franklin on essential liberty is a complete non-sequitur. In case your adult school doesn't have a book handy for looking the term up, it means it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand; you just threw it in out of the blue.

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 12:37 PM

The first paragraph simply interpreted: Because he lives where there was another school shooting, it's ok to treat him like a criminal for having a picture of him with guns. The caption on MySpace is seriously nothing. Lots of kids try to find a "cool" caption for their photos.

As for the second, if you're a gun enthusiast and don't mind other people knowing it, I see no problem with a picture of a kid with guns. In fact, I've had one on my MySpace for at least a month or two. I see it no different from a picture of someone with a picture of his car. I want to show off the new gun that I was really happy to purchase, and I do.

The quote's original context doesn't mean a thing to me. Read the quote. People give up more and more rights just to feel safer from their neighbors. Perhaps when I'm old and actually care about the original context, I'll quit interpreting things more literally. The fact that people think this is okay to arrest someone because of a picture with guns is something to be scared of.

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 12:53 PM

The average 'gun enthusuist' doesn't bill himself as the angel of death with wings of lead. And I think any kid who does needs to be looked at just to make sure he's not a threat. Simply ignoring him and saying "oh well, kids will be kids" would be stupidity to the nth degree.

And although I think arresting him was probably an over-reaction, let's not forget that the statute they charged him under is on the books. They didn't make one up on the spot.

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 02:21 PM

I agree that they should look into it, and I didn't realize that there was more than one photo of him with the guns. I still don't understand why he was suspended from school, though, and I still believe that the caption was meant to be nothing more than something clever and/or catchy. If you looked around MySpace, you'd understand what I mean. These kids will come up with some pretty crazy headlines. I think you and I would be a little bit more on the same page if you'd browse around MySpace. I'm only 19, so I'm likely to be a bit more in tune to the teenage crowd.

Ctwo · 02-27-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 7mmag6

so be carefull

:smash: I'm gettin skeered.

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmoore

I agree that they should look into it, and I didn't realize that there was more than one photo of him with the guns. I still don't understand why he was suspended from school, though, and I still believe that the caption was meant to be nothing more than something clever and/or catchy. If you looked around MySpace, you'd understand what I mean. These kids will come up with some pretty crazy headlines. I think you and I would be a little bit more on the same page if you'd browse around MySpace. I'm only 19, so I'm likely to be a bit more in tune to the teenage crowd.

I'm not sure they had legal grounds, and I'm pretty sure it didn't help the situation any. I think a little quiet talk with him might have made more sense, but we don't have all the details. Someone may have over-reacted, or someone may have made a good call and correctly decided he's a ticking time bomb.

And I'm not totally clueless about teens, by the way; I have two teenage sons. Up until recently we were also foster parents, so we had a house full of teenagers for years.

7mmag6 · 02-27-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ctwo

:smash: I'm gettin skeered.

ill clobber you with my teddy bear

toolman · 02-27-2006, 08:01 PM

Reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie where the cops arrested everyone before the crime could occur. I've got no problem with the kid in question-he's obviously not the brightest bulb on the tree, but he did nothing to warrant the actions taken against him. This should've been handled by the parents IF there was anything to handle. When I was in elementary school, my friends and I would sometimes bring our .22's to school so we could hunt rabbits when we got out and no one had a problem with it-or us!

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 08:28 PM

Minority Report... good movie.

Bull Barrel · 02-27-2006, 08:41 PM

We have got that going on now--sneak and peek--the feds or whoever can come on, place microphones, cameras, bugs, rifle through your possessions, put everything back in place and leave--and wait for you to do something--crazy is it not?

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 09:13 PM

Guilty until proven innocent in the land of the free!

Trey45 · 02-27-2006, 10:05 PM

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Mooseman684 · 02-27-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey45

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Funny, That's the SAME thing the Anti-gunners are Claiming ! Get rid of the guns so nobody can get shot...Sorry, I'm not buying it, Until a crime is committed, there is no crime, Period.

troylaplante · 02-27-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey45

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

This can hardly be considered "prevention". If anything, it is provoking. :uzi:

SPOCAHP ANAR · 02-28-2006, 04:18 PM

What they charged him with; "possesion of a handgun by a minor" do they have any proof that he actually possesed them on his own? If he posed with them while his dad was in the room is that illegal? They even state that they believe the guns to belong to family members.

So if he possesed them illegally then would the family members be also guilty of "contributing" ? It's a bogus charge that shouldn't have gotten this far.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 02-28-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey45

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Maybe so; but an ounce in this case would have been to discuss this with the boy's parents. Look I don't call the fire dept to put out my campfire, I use a bucket of water. The school accomplished nothing and as Troylaplante said "all they did was provoke things".

missharpshooter · 03-01-2006, 02:26 AM

Well I see you guys are at it again. I leave for a short time and come back to some interesting topics. I do believe many of the high school kids have profiles on My Space, as I have heard my daughter talking about that website. She is over 21 now, but she does have a picture on one of her profiles holding some hand guns. After all the school shootings I can understand why they reacted as they did. Prevention at all costs, is better than having another tradgedy. I remember when I was in grade school, I got suspended for having my Girl Scout knife in my purse. I have not seen the picture, and don't know if this young man is trained in firearms but anytime you are around guns you better take it seriously. Lady Di

02-24-2006, 01:21 AM	#61
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	Unfortunately, the gubmint is keeping more and more records. Especially the Feds...even the ones they're supposed to destroy by law keep popping up. There was some congressional hearings about it a while back if I recall correctly.. __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

02-27-2006, 08:01 PM	#70
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,852 Blog Entries: 24	Reminds me of that Tom Cruise movie where the cops arrested everyone before the crime could occur. I've got no problem with the kid in question-he's obviously not the brightest bulb on the tree, but he did nothing to warrant the actions taken against him. This should've been handled by the parents IF there was anything to handle. When I was in elementary school, my friends and I would sometimes bring our .22's to school so we could hunt rabbits when we got out and no one had a problem with it-or us! __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!

02-27-2006, 08:41 PM	#72
Bull Barrel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia Posts: 239	We have got that going on now--sneak and peek--the feds or whoever can come on, place microphones, cameras, bugs, rifle through your possessions, put everything back in place and leave--and wait for you to do something--crazy is it not? __________________ Beautiful Noisy Deadly Machines--What's Not to Like? :assult:

02-28-2006, 04:18 PM	#77
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	What they charged him with; "possesion of a handgun by a minor" do they have any proof that he actually possesed them on his own? If he posed with them while his dad was in the room is that illegal? They even state that they believe the guns to belong to family members. So if he possesed them illegally then would the family members be also guilty of "contributing" ? It's a bogus charge that shouldn't have gotten this far. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

03-01-2006, 02:26 AM	#79
missharpshooter Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 979 Images: 2	Well I see you guys are at it again. I leave for a short time and come back to some interesting topics. I do believe many of the high school kids have profiles on My Space, as I have heard my daughter talking about that website. She is over 21 now, but she does have a picture on one of her profiles holding some hand guns. After all the school shootings I can understand why they reacted as they did. Prevention at all costs, is better than having another tradgedy. I remember when I was in grade school, I got suspended for having my Girl Scout knife in my purse. I have not seen the picture, and don't know if this young man is trained in firearms but anytime you are around guns you better take it seriously. Lady Di __________________ IF IT DOESN'T GET HOT..IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FIREPOWER....DBL TAPP IS NOT DANCING..

02-27-2006, 01:55 AM	#62
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	Great idea, Shaun. Sue the school, funded by thousands of taxpayers, because they suspended someone and did nothing more than tell the cops. I'm sick of reading in the first paragraph of every news story whether or not they are pressing charges. We're paying for these judges and courts, in case you've forgotten. I don't agree that they took the right action. I go to a school of adults, and lots of my classmates know I have an AK-47. To top it off, I have an old Michigan State Police Chevy Tahoe. Sure, you could speculate that I've got malicious intent. On the other hand, I've got a great vehicle and have a real passion for killing woodchucks. I sure wouldn't like to be arrested because of what I COULD do. This story reminded me of a little quote... "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." I've seen it here before. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is where I picked it up.

02-27-2006, 12:37 PM	#64
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	The first paragraph simply interpreted: Because he lives where there was another school shooting, it's ok to treat him like a criminal for having a picture of him with guns. The caption on MySpace is seriously nothing. Lots of kids try to find a "cool" caption for their photos. As for the second, if you're a gun enthusiast and don't mind other people knowing it, I see no problem with a picture of a kid with guns. In fact, I've had one on my MySpace for at least a month or two. I see it no different from a picture of someone with a picture of his car. I want to show off the new gun that I was really happy to purchase, and I do. The quote's original context doesn't mean a thing to me. Read the quote. People give up more and more rights just to feel safer from their neighbors. Perhaps when I'm old and actually care about the original context, I'll quit interpreting things more literally. The fact that people think this is okay to arrest someone because of a picture with guns is something to be scared of.

02-27-2006, 12:53 PM	#65
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,017 Images: 9	The average 'gun enthusuist' doesn't bill himself as the angel of death with wings of lead. And I think any kid who does needs to be looked at just to make sure he's not a threat. Simply ignoring him and saying "oh well, kids will be kids" would be stupidity to the nth degree. And although I think arresting him was probably an over-reaction, let's not forget that the statute they charged him under is on the books. They didn't make one up on the spot.

02-27-2006, 02:21 PM	#66
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	I agree that they should look into it, and I didn't realize that there was more than one photo of him with the guns. I still don't understand why he was suspended from school, though, and I still believe that the caption was meant to be nothing more than something clever and/or catchy. If you looked around MySpace, you'd understand what I mean. These kids will come up with some pretty crazy headlines. I think you and I would be a little bit more on the same page if you'd browse around MySpace. I'm only 19, so I'm likely to be a bit more in tune to the teenage crowd.

02-27-2006, 08:28 PM	#71
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	Minority Report... good movie.

02-27-2006, 09:13 PM	#73
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	Guilty until proven innocent in the land of the free!

02-27-2006, 10:05 PM	#74
Trey45 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 244 Images: 3	An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.