A General's Summary

Oxford · 02-27-2006, 05:19 PM

Seldom do I participate in political discussions on G&G...but this post is one I cannot fail to make. Read on:

This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US Marine Corps, Retired:

For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.

I humbly offer my opinion here:

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do.

We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

Chuck Pitman
Lieutenant General, USMC

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 06:00 PM

From snopes.com:

As far as we know, the original source was an article entitled "My Apology to the Arab World," penned by Dr. Mike S. Adams, a professor of criminology at the University of North Carolina Wilmington, and published on Townhall.com on 14 June 2004.

Ctwo · 02-27-2006, 06:17 PM

Deja Vu?

Did'nt Oxford and Troy do this once before?

Oxford · 02-27-2006, 06:26 PM

If it's a repeat...then I can delete it.

Ctwo · 02-27-2006, 06:30 PM

I don't know, it just seems eerily familiar...maybe I'm loosing my mind?

Didn't mean it was a bother.

Oxford · 02-27-2006, 06:32 PM

If it's a repeat...then I'm losing mine.:insane:

Oz n Bolivia · 02-27-2006, 06:35 PM

Reguardless of the source there is a lot of truth in what is said. Love thy enemy has not worked with food, shelter etc.

So a different tactic is needed. What would happen if their tactics were used on them. Car bomb the terrorist. Need to find them first. The cowards hide until time to strike.

Oz

Ctwo · 02-27-2006, 06:44 PM

Oh yea, it wasn't you Oxford, or Troy...so we are both still sane

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sho...l+Chuck+Pitman (Apology)

Oxford · 02-27-2006, 07:02 PM

Ok...I can live with that. But...I still believe what was said was what needed to be said.:nod:

gmatov · 02-27-2006, 11:41 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pitman.asp

Probably been posted the last few times anyone ran across it, but read it. The Web is not really the place you want to get facts from, just look at Wikipedia, add anything you want, someone might check it, then again they might not.

Rumours and chain mailings are not the stuff of truth.

And it is not just the "Liberals" who lie on line. Try to decipher what the Bush crowd means when they say "We will veto any attempt to block transfer of control of the ports to the UAE."

This after the Admin said this is the first we heard of it. But, we're all for what our moneyed backers want.

Some of you really believe all the Admin says, don't you? Come on, don't be shy. The Bush League WILL prevail.

Cheers,

George

toolman · 03-01-2006, 02:32 AM

Who Cares Who Wrote It? There is also one floating around about Black Jack Pershing dipping bullets in pigs blood and shooting muslim terrorists. I don't necessarily believe them, but I dam n sure agree with'em. BTW, gmatov, the ports will still be controlled by U.S. Customs and staffed with U.S. workers-the only thing that is changing is the ownership which is going to Dubai-one of our allies. I suppose you think that this some big conspiracy theory as well, but the facts are out there. OX, thanks for the post!

02-27-2006, 05:19 PM	#1
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	A General's Summary Seldom do I participate in political discussions on G&G...but this post is one I cannot fail to make. Read on: This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US Marine Corps, Retired: For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre. I humbly offer my opinion here: I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.). I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11. I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs. I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships. I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth. I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media. I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause." I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians. I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems. I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES). I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered. I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death. I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise." I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate targets. I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making. I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group. I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state. I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah. I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site." I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites. I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc! I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa. America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology. Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated? Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans. If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins. Chuck Pitman Lieutenant General, USMC __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

02-27-2006, 06:26 PM	#4
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	If it's a repeat...then I can delete it. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

02-27-2006, 06:32 PM	#6
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	If it's a repeat...then I'm losing mine.:insane: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

02-27-2006, 06:35 PM	#7
Oz n Bolivia Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 115	Reguardless of the source there is a lot of truth in what is said. Love thy enemy has not worked with food, shelter etc. So a different tactic is needed. What would happen if their tactics were used on them. Car bomb the terrorist. Need to find them first. The cowards hide until time to strike. Oz __________________ Education gives us a data base of knowledge, what and how we use that data base is wisdom.

02-27-2006, 07:02 PM	#9
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,101 Blog Entries: 4	Ok...I can live with that. But...I still believe what was said was what needed to be said.:nod: __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

02-27-2006, 06:00 PM	#2
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,018 Images: 9	From snopes.com: As far as we know, the original source was an article entitled "My Apology to the Arab World," penned by Dr. Mike S. Adams, a professor of criminology at the University of North Carolina Wilmington, and published on Townhall.com on 14 June 2004.

02-27-2006, 06:17 PM	#3
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	Deja Vu? Did'nt Oxford and Troy do this once before?

02-27-2006, 06:30 PM	#5
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	I don't know, it just seems eerily familiar...maybe I'm loosing my mind? Didn't mean it was a bother.

02-27-2006, 06:44 PM	#8
Ctwo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 344	Oh yea, it wasn't you Oxford, or Troy...so we are both still sane http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/sho...l+Chuck+Pitman (Apology)

02-27-2006, 11:41 PM	#10
gmatov Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 38	http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pitman.asp Probably been posted the last few times anyone ran across it, but read it. The Web is not really the place you want to get facts from, just look at Wikipedia, add anything you want, someone might check it, then again they might not. Rumours and chain mailings are not the stuff of truth. And it is not just the "Liberals" who lie on line. Try to decipher what the Bush crowd means when they say "We will veto any attempt to block transfer of control of the ports to the UAE." This after the Admin said this is the first we heard of it. But, we're all for what our moneyed backers want. Some of you really believe all the Admin says, don't you? Come on, don't be shy. The Bush League WILL prevail. Cheers, George

03-01-2006, 02:32 AM	#11
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,852 Blog Entries: 24	Who Cares Who Wrote It? There is also one floating around about Black Jack Pershing dipping bullets in pigs blood and shooting muslim terrorists. I don't necessarily believe them, but I dam n sure agree with'em. BTW, gmatov, the ports will still be controlled by U.S. Customs and staffed with U.S. workers-the only thing that is changing is the ownership which is going to Dubai-one of our allies. I suppose you think that this some big conspiracy theory as well, but the facts are out there. OX, thanks for the post! __________________ cosmoline is an aphrodisiac!