We should pull out immediately !

Trey45 · 02-27-2006, 06:37 PM

If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the
Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2112
deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000.

The death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000.

That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our
Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the
nation, than you are in Iraq.........................

Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington

Bull Barrel · 02-27-2006, 06:58 PM

No--I vote we call in the UN!

giturgun · 02-27-2006, 08:15 PM

Wonder if the fat red nosed senater could comment on that , by the way riding in teddies car has a 100 percent death rate

cmoore · 02-27-2006, 08:18 PM

Actually, it's about 34% more. The extra 20 is 1/3 of 60. Very interesting, though.

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 09:12 PM

I have WAY too much time on my hands while I'm recovering:

Starting with the murder (not firearm death) rate per 100,000
population for 2004, if you use Washington, DC's city per capita murder rate
(http://www.morganquitno.com/cit04r.pdf, higher than the greater metro
region, http://www.morganquitno.com/met04r.pdf) you get 35.8
murders/100K population (That's 198 murders--DC population 553,523
(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html).

In Iraq for the same time period (2004), there were 848 US fatalities
(http://icasualties.org/oif/). The "pull out of DC" email troop
strength numbers of 160,000 are probably high. If we use the US ground
troop numbers over the same period (2004), we get an average of
133,917 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita..._orbat_es.htm).
This makes the US troop murder rate (for lack of a better term) 633
per 100,000.

That's almost 20 times higher the rate of DC, and almost 10 times New
Orleans' number two rate (second to Camden, NJ's number one rate of
60.8 per 100,000 (just to interject another issue to the
conversation).

While these numbers are for 2004, and not "the last 22 months" they
likely indicate that the "pull out of DC" emailer, in addition to
being a little insensitive to the sacrifices being made in Iraq, also
has a little trouble with decimal points.

gmatov · 02-27-2006, 09:58 PM

To add to that, not all those 160,000 troops are engaged in combat. They are in a combat zone, just as all the troops in the Viet Nam area, Cambodia, Laos, etc., were in theatre, but the majority were support troops.

In Iraq, I would say a max of 20 % go on patrol. So, of 32,000, you have 2000 plus deaths, and I think I have read, some 14,000 seriously wounded. You could say that is a 50 % casualty rate. Those wounded and evacuated are, naturally, replaced by somebody, whether by a new mobilization of another guard Unit, or some rear echelon troops already there..

The original analogy here is like saying the murder rate in the highest crime area in the DC area should be spread among the whole area, 100 people are murdered in one square block of the meanest "ghetto", average it to the entire population of the city. Sure makes the city seem tame, when you do it that way.

H**l, if you should assign all the deaths to a square block or 2.

Is there something wrong with my reasoning?

Cheers,

George

Funny that H**l is a censored word.

Outriderdark · 02-27-2006, 10:00 PM

troy2000,
If you must continue spouting this liberal slop, could you please stop peppering it with facts, figures and references.......

Mooseman684 · 02-27-2006, 10:00 PM

Troy2000...Your Math is flawed by not including the Iraqi population in the equasion.!

7mmag6 · 02-27-2006, 10:15 PM

We should pull out immediately ! thats what we did when the condom supply was low. ----oops wrong topic

troy2000 · 02-27-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mooseman684

Troy2000...Your Math is flawed by not including the Iraqi population in the equasion.!

That ones's been floating around for a while. It's shown up in my personal and business email, and popped up on other forums too.

Rufus Rhastus J · 02-28-2006, 05:19 AM

regardless of the the facts, pulling out sounds good to me! I'd love for our troops to return home and quit wasting time in the sand box. Though I thank them, each and every one, for thier service, it is clear we are dealing with a group of folks who like things just as they were and will resist change, whether for good or bad, for all time. they are clearly just too uncivalized for now. Maybe in another500 to 1000 years they will have advanced enough to understand that government elected by the people and accountable to the people (unlike ours, just as corrupt and vile as Saddam's was....only in a differant way ) is a bit more desireable than a king on camel back.

Rave · 02-28-2006, 09:03 AM

Hummmmm,I'll bet not everyone in DC is out on patrol either,mostly the enemy.

Apollyon67 · 02-28-2006, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bull Barrel

No--I vote we call in the UN!

they are too busy keeping piece with the little girls in the Congo. And yes, I know how I spelled "piece" Its amazing what you can buy with peanut butter.

Rufus Rhastus J · 02-28-2006, 11:09 AM

That's a new one but, since they have no class or morals, i'm not surprised. To the victorious go the spoils.....i guess aides infested little girls are fair game for blue helmuted slime....after all, they are a pack-O-third worlders too!

NRAJOE · 02-28-2006, 12:49 PM

Sure...lets give up just before we win...like 'Nam...

1963duce100 · 02-28-2006, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Sure...lets give up just before we win...like 'Nam...

could not agree more

toolman · 02-28-2006, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Sure...lets give up just before we win...like 'Nam...

Yep, that way ole Cindy Sheehan will have to literally pi ss on her sons' grave rather than just making a mockery of his service.

troy2000 · 03-01-2006, 12:01 AM

Getting a little dramatic, aren't we?

toolman · 03-01-2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troy2000

Getting a little dramatic, aren't we?

Who? I don't know a single veteran from the gulf war all the way back to WW11 who wants to give these punks in Iraq the stisfaction of seeing us run.If you are referring to my comment, what would you call it if your son joined up, died in combat, you met with the Commander-In Chief, and then you started claiming that it was all a lie and supporting pro-communist orginizations? I personally think that Casey would be puking right now.

7mmag6 · 03-01-2006, 01:26 AM

nam is a very different situation I was afraid iraq would be the same. fortunatly the jihadits are too dam stupid to even kiss the ho chi mhin sandal of a vc. I respected the vc ---these guys are just vc wannabies, too stupid lame, idiots--we will win this war

02-27-2006, 06:37 PM	#1
Trey45 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 244 Images: 3	We should pull out immediately ! If you consider that there have been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000. The death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq......................... Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington

02-27-2006, 06:58 PM	#2
Bull Barrel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia Posts: 239	No--I vote we call in the UN! __________________ Beautiful Noisy Deadly Machines--What's Not to Like? :assult:

02-27-2006, 09:12 PM	#5
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,457 Images: 9	Reality Check I have WAY too much time on my hands while I'm recovering: Starting with the murder (not firearm death) rate per 100,000 population for 2004, if you use Washington, DC's city per capita murder rate (http://www.morganquitno.com/cit04r.pdf, higher than the greater metro region, http://www.morganquitno.com/met04r.pdf) you get 35.8 murders/100K population (That's 198 murders--DC population 553,523 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html). In Iraq for the same time period (2004), there were 848 US fatalities (http://icasualties.org/oif/). The "pull out of DC" email troop strength numbers of 160,000 are probably high. If we use the US ground troop numbers over the same period (2004), we get an average of 133,917 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita..._orbat_es.htm). This makes the US troop murder rate (for lack of a better term) 633 per 100,000. That's almost 20 times higher the rate of DC, and almost 10 times New Orleans' number two rate (second to Camden, NJ's number one rate of 60.8 per 100,000 (just to interject another issue to the conversation). While these numbers are for 2004, and not "the last 22 months" they likely indicate that the "pull out of DC" emailer, in addition to being a little insensitive to the sacrifices being made in Iraq, also has a little trouble with decimal points.

02-27-2006, 09:58 PM	#6
gmatov Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 38	To add to that, not all those 160,000 troops are engaged in combat. They are in a combat zone, just as all the troops in the Viet Nam area, Cambodia, Laos, etc., were in theatre, but the majority were support troops. In Iraq, I would say a max of 20 % go on patrol. So, of 32,000, you have 2000 plus deaths, and I think I have read, some 14,000 seriously wounded. You could say that is a 50 % casualty rate. Those wounded and evacuated are, naturally, replaced by somebody, whether by a new mobilization of another guard Unit, or some rear echelon troops already there.. The original analogy here is like saying the murder rate in the highest crime area in the DC area should be spread among the whole area, 100 people are murdered in one square block of the meanest "ghetto", average it to the entire population of the city. Sure makes the city seem tame, when you do it that way. Hl, if you should assign all the deaths to a square block or 2. Is there something wrong with my reasoning? Cheers, George Funny that Hl is a censored word. Last edited by gmatov; 02-27-2006 at 10:00 PM.

02-27-2006, 10:00 PM	#7
Outriderdark Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,125	troy2000, If you must continue spouting this liberal slop, could you please stop peppering it with facts, figures and references....... __________________ "Would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was thrown outta windows?"-Archie Bunker

02-27-2006, 08:15 PM	#3
giturgun Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kingsport Tennessee Posts: 20	Wonder if the fat red nosed senater could comment on that , by the way riding in teddies car has a 100 percent death rate

02-27-2006, 08:18 PM	#4
cmoore Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64	Actually, it's about 34% more. The extra 20 is 1/3 of 60. Very interesting, though.

02-27-2006, 10:00 PM	#8
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 9,672 Images: 2	Troy2000...Your Math is flawed by not including the Iraqi population in the equasion.! __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

02-27-2006, 10:15 PM	#9
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	We should pull out immediately ! thats what we did when the condom supply was low. ----oops wrong topic

02-28-2006, 05:19 AM	#11
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	regardless of the the facts, pulling out sounds good to me! I'd love for our troops to return home and quit wasting time in the sand box. Though I thank them, each and every one, for thier service, it is clear we are dealing with a group of folks who like things just as they were and will resist change, whether for good or bad, for all time. they are clearly just too uncivalized for now. Maybe in another500 to 1000 years they will have advanced enough to understand that government elected by the people and accountable to the people (unlike ours, just as corrupt and vile as Saddam's was....only in a differant way ) is a bit more desireable than a king on camel back. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

02-28-2006, 09:03 AM	#12
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,875	Hummmmm,I'll bet not everyone in DC is out on patrol either,mostly the enemy. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

02-28-2006, 11:09 AM	#14
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	That's a new one but, since they have no class or morals, i'm not surprised. To the victorious go the spoils.....i guess aides infested little girls are fair game for blue helmuted slime....after all, they are a pack-O-third worlders too! __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

02-28-2006, 12:49 PM	#15
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,052 Images: 3	Sure...lets give up just before we win...like 'Nam...

03-01-2006, 12:01 AM	#18
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,457 Images: 9	Getting a little dramatic, aren't we?

03-01-2006, 01:26 AM	#20
7mmag6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 337 Images: 1	nam is a very different situation I was afraid iraq would be the same. fortunatly the jihadits are too dam stupid to even kiss the ho chi mhin sandal of a vc. I respected the vc ---these guys are just vc wannabies, too stupid lame, idiots--we will win this war