Contest can't give away top prize; AK-47

SPOCAHP ANAR · 03-03-2006, 12:09 PM

A Clemson college student who organized a raffle in order to raise awareness of the 2nd Amendment has run into some trouble giving away an the top Prize; an AK-47 type rifle.

The first place winner, a female, said she entered the contest by mistake and didn't want the gun. The second drawing for the top prize is a professor at Clemson who said he really wanted the 2nd place prize; a .22 rifle.

That's about all I got from the story as I was getting ready for work......

Gee can't give away an AK-47...... Some people have real problems don't they........

ash · 03-03-2006, 12:17 PM

Something tells me that little problems gonna sort itself out.

troy2000 · 03-03-2006, 01:28 PM

How do you buy a raffle ticket by mistake?

Gunnie Ed · 03-03-2006, 02:01 PM

She was probably in a drunken stupor and thoguht it was a tampon or something. you know how college kids are these days.

on arelated note, The world is in terrible shape if you can't give away an AK47.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 03-03-2006, 09:05 PM

Here's a little info leading up to the drawing. Students by law could not charge money for the raffle however a donation was accepted. So of course the liberal wieners get out and start signing up for free............ TYPICAL.
Students, lecturer protest

by Caroline Stone

Published Friday, March 3, 2006

Students, lecturer protest
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This past Tuesday the Tiger Town Observer cut short accepting tickets for their drawing of an AK-47 style rifle.

Andrew Davis, editor-in-chief of the Observer and the other staff members began accepting $5 donations in return for chances to win the semi-automatic rifle last Monday.

According to South Carolina law, raffles are prohibited. To comply with SC Code Section 16-19-10 the Observer staff structured the give away as a drawing. In accordance with the law and University policies, no purchase was necessary to enter.

The drawing sparked the interest of the Clemson community.

English lecturer John Longo's English 103 students brought the drawing up in a class discussion. As part of English 103, each class section is required to complete a community based writing project as one of their four major assignments.

"This semester, I wanted to give them more freedom," Longo said.

He said the students suggested protesting the drawing for their community based writing project. Longo's other section of English 103 is currently planning to work with Helping Hands of Clemson for their project.

"(The protest) got the class fired up; they really took off with it," he said.

Longo's class decided to print flyers to educate community members that they were not required to make a purchase to enter the drawing. Longo and his students set up a table alongside the Observer's table on the Cooper Library bridge. They distributed flyers and displayed signs. Other undergraduate and graduate students from outside of the class also furthered the students' efforts to protest the drawing.

According to Longo, one student signed approximately 40 forms for the drawing. He said the members of the Observer heckled his students as they signed up for the drawing.

"They called us anti-American. They said we hated free speech," he said. "However, these students were exercising their free speech and engaged in the democratic process."

Davis said that the publication ended the entry period to protect the interests of the people who "legitimately" entered the drawing. He said that if the publication allowed an unlimited number of people to enter, he feared it would "ruin the nature of the drawing."

"It's not fair that someone who donated $5 or $50 dollars has to compete against someone who has entered 70 times without donating any money," Davis said.

Longo said the class has suggested donating the rifle to an artist who would melt it down into sculpture if one of the students wins the drawing. The class also discussed the possibility of donating the firearm to the University police department.

Longo declined to comment about his feelings toward the Observer's drawing; however, he said that he did not fill out a form to be entered in the drawing.

"I'm trying to keep my political bias out of it," he said.

He said that he asked his students "repeatedly" in class and through e-mails if anyone felt uncomfortable with the idea of protesting the drawing. Although no students chose to abstain from protesting, he said the students had the opportunity to participate in alternate activities.

"It's just about taking a stand," he said.

Meanwhile, one Clemson student who is unaffiliated with Longo's class said he is planning to pursue legal action against the Observer after he was not able to turn in a high number of forms. The Observer cut its drawing short before the student was able to finish filling out and turn his forms.

Davis said the drawing protests have furthered the interest in drawing. After the publication stopped offering chances to win the rifle, the publication continued to accept donations. Wednesday afternoon, Davis said the paper has received hundreds of dollars in support.

Joey l mur · 03-04-2006, 03:01 PM

If I won I coud not bring it home would one of you hold it for me.
:target:

Shaun · 03-05-2006, 12:51 AM

i'll take a ticket

03-03-2006, 12:09 PM	#1
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	Contest can't give away top prize; AK-47 A Clemson college student who organized a raffle in order to raise awareness of the 2nd Amendment has run into some trouble giving away an the top Prize; an AK-47 type rifle. The first place winner, a female, said she entered the contest by mistake and didn't want the gun. The second drawing for the top prize is a professor at Clemson who said he really wanted the 2nd place prize; a .22 rifle. That's about all I got from the story as I was getting ready for work...... Gee can't give away an AK-47...... Some people have real problems don't they........ __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

03-03-2006, 02:01 PM	#4
Gunnie Ed Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: three clicks left of center. Posts: 811	She was probably in a drunken stupor and thoguht it was a tampon or something. you know how college kids are these days. on arelated note, The world is in terrible shape if you can't give away an AK47. __________________ http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95.../warinmine.gif

03-03-2006, 09:05 PM	#5
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,192 Images: 1 Blog Entries: 6	Here's a little info leading up to the drawing. Students by law could not charge money for the raffle however a donation was accepted. So of course the liberal wieners get out and start signing up for free............ TYPICAL. Students, lecturer protest by Caroline Stone Published Friday, March 3, 2006 Students, lecturer protest Click here to post your comments No feedback has been posted yet. Please post yours! (Feedback requires a Javascript-compatible browser) This past Tuesday the Tiger Town Observer cut short accepting tickets for their drawing of an AK-47 style rifle. Andrew Davis, editor-in-chief of the Observer and the other staff members began accepting $5 donations in return for chances to win the semi-automatic rifle last Monday. According to South Carolina law, raffles are prohibited. To comply with SC Code Section 16-19-10 the Observer staff structured the give away as a drawing. In accordance with the law and University policies, no purchase was necessary to enter. The drawing sparked the interest of the Clemson community. English lecturer John Longo's English 103 students brought the drawing up in a class discussion. As part of English 103, each class section is required to complete a community based writing project as one of their four major assignments. "This semester, I wanted to give them more freedom," Longo said. He said the students suggested protesting the drawing for their community based writing project. Longo's other section of English 103 is currently planning to work with Helping Hands of Clemson for their project. "(The protest) got the class fired up; they really took off with it," he said. Longo's class decided to print flyers to educate community members that they were not required to make a purchase to enter the drawing. Longo and his students set up a table alongside the Observer's table on the Cooper Library bridge. They distributed flyers and displayed signs. Other undergraduate and graduate students from outside of the class also furthered the students' efforts to protest the drawing. According to Longo, one student signed approximately 40 forms for the drawing. He said the members of the Observer heckled his students as they signed up for the drawing. "They called us anti-American. They said we hated free speech," he said. "However, these students were exercising their free speech and engaged in the democratic process." Davis said that the publication ended the entry period to protect the interests of the people who "legitimately" entered the drawing. He said that if the publication allowed an unlimited number of people to enter, he feared it would "ruin the nature of the drawing." "It's not fair that someone who donated $5 or $50 dollars has to compete against someone who has entered 70 times without donating any money," Davis said. Longo said the class has suggested donating the rifle to an artist who would melt it down into sculpture if one of the students wins the drawing. The class also discussed the possibility of donating the firearm to the University police department. Longo declined to comment about his feelings toward the Observer's drawing; however, he said that he did not fill out a form to be entered in the drawing. "I'm trying to keep my political bias out of it," he said. He said that he asked his students "repeatedly" in class and through e-mails if anyone felt uncomfortable with the idea of protesting the drawing. Although no students chose to abstain from protesting, he said the students had the opportunity to participate in alternate activities. "It's just about taking a stand," he said. Meanwhile, one Clemson student who is unaffiliated with Longo's class said he is planning to pursue legal action against the Observer after he was not able to turn in a high number of forms. The Observer cut its drawing short before the student was able to finish filling out and turn his forms. Davis said the drawing protests have furthered the interest in drawing. After the publication stopped offering chances to win the rifle, the publication continued to accept donations. Wednesday afternoon, Davis said the paper has received hundreds of dollars in support. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

03-04-2006, 03:01 PM	#6
Joey l mur Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 337 Images: 1	Whear can I get a ticket If I won I coud not bring it home would one of you hold it for me. :target:

03-05-2006, 12:51 AM	#7
Shaun Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 8,619 Images: 1	i'll take a ticket __________________ "Homeland Security is the responsibility of an armed citizen" ME http://webpages.charter.net/s.s.v/

03-03-2006, 12:17 PM	#2
ash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: En route Posts: 934 Images: 3	Something tells me that little problems gonna sort itself out.

03-03-2006, 01:28 PM	#3
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 10,018 Images: 9	How do you buy a raffle ticket by mistake?