I finally took my Mosin Nagant 1891/30 to the range today. One of my buddies came along with me. Sure enough, we hear the loudest bang you've ever heard, going off from about 75 feet downrange. My buddy says "Whoa, what is that?" "Oh, that thing?" the guy next to us says. "That's the .50 caliber rifle they rent out here." I'd seen the thing before, but only just sitting there. More specificly, it's a bolt action AR-50, and you can only shoot it at 100 yards.
I walked over to check it out. Standing ten feet behind the guy, I jumped higher than I have in months. The concussion was huge.
I wanted to try it, but it was just scary. o_o
I finally decided to spend the $20 for 3 shots (expensive, yes, but it's the best $20 I've ever spent). I was messing around with the Shoot-N-See targets that we bought because we couldn't figure out where the heck my Nagant was shooting, so I say to my friend, "I'm gonna put one of these little inch-and-a-half circles on the target and try to hit it with the .50." My friend goes "From 100 yards? You're never going to hit that. I bet you a double cheesburger." "Ehh... How much is that?" "A dollar." "What do I get?" "How about a $2 large fry?" "Deal."
I let the line for the thing die down, putting a few more rounds through my Nagant, then walked over and paid my $20. I got to dry fire the thing three times (The first dry fire, I completely spazzed out. I had to try it two more times) before the rangemaster threw one round into the chamber and closed the bolt (He wouldn't let me do it. ._.).
"Ok, ready neal?" "No, Hold on, you're shooting at the left or the..." *BANG!*
Neal jumped even higher than I did earlier. >=]
The recoil was huge, but it didn't hurt (you have to just barely lean into it when sitting down. You want your torso facing forward, then let the rifle push you around a bit so you move rather than absorb all the recoil. It hurts a lot less than trying to lean way into it and keeping it still.
First shot... shooting at a little dot... The space between the hole and the edge of the dot was literally a quarter of an inch down and left of the target.
"OH MY GOD! It's ALMOST THERE! Large fries, large fries..."
The second shot was about three inches lower and one more inch to the left, but still on the target. The third, I gave up and just took a shot at the large Shoot-N-See target in the middle of the paper, and hit about two inches high and one inch left. Pretty good for the first time shooting a scoped rifle at 100 yards, but I did have to buy my friend a double cheesburger. o_O
Anyway, I now see why the .50BMG is banned here in California. Most people say "Bah, it's not that big of a deal!"... well, the thing is gigantamous. It makes my Nagant look like a .22 bolt action rifle. The only place you'd need power like that is a shooting competition, or renting the thing for one-time fun, like I did.
The amount of power is insane. The fun factor is incredible, though. The recoil was quite a bit more than my 91/30, but the huge rubber butt pad and insane muzzle break made it like being pushed back rather than being hit really hard.
Besides the recoil, I literally had wind pushing me back. It blew my hair back, and it was like riding in the back of my dad's convertible mustang on the freeway for literally 3/4ths of a second.
Comparing the rubber buttpad and gigantic muzzle break to my Nagant with a steel buttplate, the Nagant hurt my shoulder more, amazing as it may sound.
Anyway, I now see why the .50BMG is banned here in California. Most people say "Bah, it's not that big of a deal!"... well, the thing is gigantamous. It makes my Nagant look like a .22 bolt action rifle. The only place you'd need power like that is a shooting competition, or renting the thing for one-time fun, like I did.
Phrogg; I know you probably didn't mean it in that way but this is the type of logic used by the anti gun crowd. I don't have to have a need for it. It's my right to own one regardless of need.
That same logic is why class III weapons have been all but banned; you don't really need one unless your a criminal. And it also gave us the assault weapons ban.
__________________ Commen Sense and Critical Thinking are an absolute joke in today's society. Yes I am talking to you!
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I'm still trying to find where it says I cant own a fully automatic weapon, can someone help me out. According to our CONSTITUTION I have the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, it doesn't say the right to bear only semi auto arms, or the right to bear arms below this caliber. I'm also trying to figure out how our government can pass a law saying I have to wear a seatbelt, when in fact my car is my pesonal property no matter where it is. So what, next I'll have to wear a safety belt in my recliner?
The Second Amendment is not here just because people like guns, it’s that guns are necessary to retain the freedom of the people. One of the main reasons the Revolutionary War started and escalated was when British Federalists tried to destroy or capture large stocks of American weapons and powder. If it weren’t for Washington reacting in time, the Federalists would’ve had complete power over us, as the Revolutionary forces would have had nothing to fight back with. In the situtation where the government gains too much power and destroys the American right to keep and bear arms, there would be little we can do. See, the government has to be fearful of it’s population, not the other way around. A lot of people say “Well, it says “militia”, so we can’t just let anybody get a gun!!!1″ Wrong. It says “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” By militia, they mean an organized fighting force, controlled by our government, for the “Security of a free State”. I.E., our current armed forces. HOWEVER, the “right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” because the people just fought a war agains Federalist militia, for two years, that’s why the Second Amendment is here and enforced.
But what is the definition of "arms"? This is what I've found "A weapon, especially a firearm". Last time I checked a full auto M16 is a firearm, it's a weapon. And according to our Constitution my right to bear ARMS shall not be infringed, but it has. I don't have the right to just run out and buy an automatic weapon, unless someone says its ok. I don't have the right to make an automatic firearm or I'll go to jail. I can have this firearms, but no no, not this one. I'm sorry but the Second Amendment is not being enforced, its slowly being taken away.
The true blame lies with Criminals and Organized Crime Like Al Capone, Machinegun Kelly, and Bonnie and Clyde. They had the police Outgunned in the 20's and early 30's robbing banks and massacreing rival gang Bootleggers during prohibition. Hence the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Use of the Interstate Commerce Act as a way of skirting the Constitution. Can't control the Criminals...Control the guns. Prohibition and Big money from Bootleg Alcohol = Greed and Crime and Laws that are Unconstitutional because your Government doesnt Trust you , Period
__________________
[I]You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!:( [/I]
The true blame lies with Criminals and Organized Crime Like Al Capone, Machinegun Kelly, and Bonnie and Clyde. They had the police Outgunned in the 20's and early 30's robbing banks and massacreing rival gang Bootleggers during prohibition. Hence the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Use of the Interstate Commerce Act as a way of skirting the Constitution. Can't control the Criminals...Control the guns. Prohibition and Big money from Bootleg Alcohol = Greed and Crime and Laws that are Unconstitutional because your Government doesnt Trust you , Period
Bonnie and Clyde used stolen BARs that they robbed a military armory for (dunno if it was army or navy). They also used shotguns. At NO time did they use a thompson.
Everyone else here is right, the .50 shouldn't be banned. Automatic weapons shouldn't be 100 percent banned (I WANT ONE!), but let's face it, if they're more widely available, they'll be used in more crimes. Auto guns are a lot more dangerous than semi auto guns in untrained hands, which is what almost all criminals are - untrained.
I'm just saying... the AR-50... is about 500 times more powerful than any gun you could ever possibly need. Want... well, there ya go, who DOESN'T want one if they've tried it once?
hehe... I'm still amazed, though. Shooting the thing, I got pushed back by the gun itself at the same time this really powerful wind was pushing me back. It was great.
Originally Quoted by Phrogg
[Everyone else here is right, the .50 shouldn't be banned. Automatic weapons shouldn't be 100 percent banned (I WANT ONE!), but let's face it, if they're more widely available, they'll be used in more crimes. Auto guns are a lot more dangerous than semi auto guns in untrained hands, which is what almost all criminals are - untrained.
I'm just saying... the AR-50... is about 500 times more powerful than any gun you could ever possibly need. Want... well, there ya go, who DOESN'T want one if they've tried it once?]
Fact.. Machine guns are NOT Banned, Anyone with a clean record and lots of money can Legally own one in Most all states, You have to pay 200 dollars tax and Jump thru the Hoops!
Fact #2 Full auto guns are NOT more dangerous than semi auto guns, the bullet hit to fired ratio is extremely low with machine guns in especially untrained hands, Remember the California Bank Robbery and the 2 guys in Full Body armor ??? Why did the Military go to 3 shot bursts in the M16 ? same reason!(and they ARE trained).
Fact#3... 500 times More Powerful ??? It is a bullet, Not an Artillery piece.
It is only 3-4 times more powerful than a .338, or a .375 H+H Magnum. A .600
Nitro Express Elephant gun Kicks Harder than a .50 Cal. in recoil.
I have a .50 for long range Target shooting , Do I need a Reason ?
We have to keep facts straight because of the Anti-gun people and their Lies!
Rich
__________________
[I]You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!:( [/I]
Last edited by Mooseman684; 03-06-2006 at 10:19 PM.
Fact.. Machine guns are NOT Banned, Anyone with a clean record and lots of money can Legally own one in Most all states, You have to pay 200 dollars tax and Jump thru the Hoops!
Fact: When you pass a law whose sole purpose is to restrict an item to such an extent that it becomes virtually impossible for the common person to afford it then what you have done is made it unavailable and thus essentialy Banned. While legally you can claim it isn't banned the end result is the same. We common folk can't own one.
This is a direct violation of the second amendment.
__________________ Commen Sense and Critical Thinking are an absolute joke in today's society. Yes I am talking to you!
Machine guns WERE affordable Until 1986 when the Ban went into effect of only prior to then Ownership by civilians ! I Hope the Supreme Court looks at this in the future because the Price Skyrocketed and put them out of the price range of most of us Poor people, and only the Rich can now afford them!
I hope they re-open the Amnesty period like they are talking about doing so that vets that have War Trophys Hidden all across America can get them Legally out in the open. That 30-day BS they did with the last amnesty was a joke and Lots of Vets never heard about it !
__________________
[I]You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!:( [/I]
