Iran Tests Missile Able to Avoid Radar

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060331/D8GMHGI86.html


Ok you ordinance guys; lay it on the line for us. How is this capable of avoidig radar?

[Mooseman684]

Stealth Technology combined with object avoidance technology and new faster computer chips and processors and you have a missle that may hit you in the butt before anybody knows it was launched. Iranians Have Computer access as well as Students in major universities around the world gathering Intel/info and this is the end result... American Technology comes out of Universities like MIT,Caltech, and various others that do the research and come up with new stuff and America being as open as it is to foreign students adds to the likelyhood of Espionage and theft of Technology even before it becomes Classified by the Government !

[troy2000]

Might be a wee bit of hyperbole and bluff in their announcement.

[Outriderdark]

Now that's just wrong, troy2000. Are you trying to imply the Iranians would LIE?

[Mooseman684]

Jane's defense, the Israelis, the U.S. and The U.N. all know about the "Shooting Star" missile and possible ICBM Capabilities...This Is No Bluff !

[troy2000]

Iran says the missile is entirely Iranian-made, but U.S. officials says the missile is based on the North Korean "No Dong" missile design and produced in Iran. The United States also accuses China of assisting Iran's missile program.

U.S. intelligence officials have previously said that Iran can probably fire several Shahab-3's in an emergency, but that it has not yet developed a completely reliable missile.

They have every reason to make us believe it's more reliable than it may really be, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're exaggerating its capabilities. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, or that it doesn't work at all..

[whirlwind]

that korean "no dong" missle must be named after kim jong ill...he looks like he may be dong-less to me

[Mooseman684]

Today this is not the case with North Korean derived warhead technology. North Korea successfully demonstrated payload spin up with its Taep'o-dong-1/Paeutsan-1, solid motor third stage and satellite during that satellite launch attempt. This can plainly be seen in the publicly available North Korean videos released to the press on the Paeutusan-1 launch. Both the solid motor stage and the attached satellite are seen in the video rotating along the centerline longitudinal axis of the two elements. When you think about it technically applying basic Junior high school physics it had to be that way to perform its mission. The only way the stage and satellite combination could be stabilized was to spin them up along the centerline longitudinally axis in order to properly position the third stage solid motor for the orbital insertion burn which is confirmed by the video. While the combination payload rotates about its center of gravity that solid motor has to be precisely positioned and fired in order to place itself in Earth orbit. If it is positioned left or right or up or down from that centerline firing position the payload will be de-orbit by the burn. The Paeutusan-1 solid propellant third stage both demonstrated a near full duration burn and the spin up of the stage and satellite along its longitudinal axis. However, the third stage solid motor ruptured, de-orbiting the satellite, almost immediately after achieving orbital velocity. For further information see the North Korean Taep'o-dong-1/NKSL-1 web site.

Therefore, it would be correct to assume that besides North Korea's, No-Dong (first stage of Taep'o-dong-1), both Pakistan's Ghauri-II and Iran's Shahab-3 all benefit from this spin-up technology. The Shahab-3/Ghauri-II both apparently spin up the single booster stage and warhead combination starting at about 10 seconds before the termination of the powered flight at 110 seconds. At this point after 110 seconds of powered flight the warhead is then separated from the booster stage to fly on a re-entry trajectory that remains stable to its target. With the addition of GPS targeting the warhead accuracy is greatly enhanced. There are still many in the analytical community that question, perhaps correctly, this suggested accuracy of 190 meters, over the excepted 3 kilometers CEP. There can be no doubt that this spin-up technology does improve the accuracy of these warheads over the previously demonstrated poor ballistic capability. Since the warheads are not tumbling it in fact enhances the interceptor sensor signature identification capability verses that of a tumbling warheads signature.

Equally revealing is the fact that this is the area where the Iranian Shahab-3 has repeatedly failed in flight test. If the steering vanes are not equally positioned correctly or are defective in any way the missile and warhead combination would tumble about its center of gravity out of control destroying the missile. The resulting tumbling warhead whether attached to the remaining missile body or not would in all probability be destroyed during its re-entry. It is known that Iran has and continues to suffer from a steering vain quality control problem for its Shahab-3 ballistic missile that the Germans during WW-II solved and that the United States and former Soviet Union were able to easily resolve with out using specialized coating.

It is reported in the Middle East Newsline from a study by the Washington, D.C., Institute of Near East Policy, suggesting that both Iran and Iraq are having considerable trouble adapting nuclear warheads because of their size to their existing MRBMs, Shahab-3 of Iran, the Scud-C's and Scud-D's of Iraq. The report goes further suggest that they may choose to develop aircraft based delivery systems. (24) It is known that Iran has been developing a unmanned cruise missile capability through the use of the existing aircraft available for this potential weapons system as reported in Aviation Week & Space Technology some years ago.

[troy2000]

Interesting stuff, Mooseman. don't let my skepticism get in the way of posting what you know; I'm no expert.

[Mooseman684]

Ex is a Has been...Spert is a Drip under pressure ! You better not be one ! LOL

[lefty o]

the iranian missile might be able to hide from iranian radar, but i'll take a wager that it wouldnt fare to well against the aegis systems "spy" radar.

[Deersniper]

Sounds like the new missile Putin was boasting about about a year ago. I'm telling you we're treading on the Russians over there. They may have picked up scaler technology from the soviets also.

[Big Dog]

Technology never stands still. If they have developed a missile to evade current radar, we'll develop a better radar system. What we really need is a good way to swat the danged thing if it is coming at us.
We also need to let them know that if they use it against us, we'll rain H###fire on them for their trouble.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Well, we were on fairly good terms, as good as good can be for relations with the ruskies, but, bush had to whiz in thier wheaties.....now they hate us again. once again, our policies don't win friends for common goals in the other regions of the world. all we do is isolate ourselves until we have no friends...or at least, none that count. but, on the bright side, those illegals like us...i guess that's something.

[Rave]

Just accept it gang,if they can get those missiles to us a certain amount will hurt us,can't stop them all.
Just know that we will survive and flatten their buts,they know it too.:cheer:

[Rufus Rhastus J]

good point...but, there are whack-Os everywhere! One may not care about what will happen...rather what just did happen.

[Mooseman684]

At least The U.S. Has the SBIR warning system that can detect a Missile launch from satellites regardless of whether the Missile is Stealth or not due to the Heat signature from the Rocket Motor that as yet cannot be masked.
The Aegis ship based Radar system combined with SBIR gives The U.S. a Distinct advantage over the Middle East countries that may want to launch a preemptive strike against us, and They do not have much more than ground based radar systems that we would Classify as obsolete compared to our advanced technology.
I personally am more afraid of Biological / Chemical weapons that could be smuggled into the U.S. as the defense margin is extremely low if they were to be dispersed compared to ICBM's that can be detected and possibly dealt with faster .

[7mmag6]

I dont believe you guys you have no idea what we have on the firing line Im privy to some of this you just cant believe

[whirlwind]

forgive my ignorance,but im no navy buff...what is the advantage of firing a missle under water? wouldnt it be more cost effective to improve your existing torpedo technology? it seems that this would be a kin to shooting 24 karat gold balls from your wrist rocket.

[troy2000]

A missile goes a lot farther and faster, once it breaches the surface, than a torpedo pushing through water could ever hope to do, and it's a lot more maneuverable. Torpedos are short-range weapons.