[bigandrich44]

When I pull the trigger, the bullet hits the target where I intended it to. I don't measure groups. If I can hit that deer at 300 yards in one shot, it's good enough.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by bigandrich44

When I pull the trigger, the bullet hits the target where I intended it to. I don't measure groups. If I can hit that deer at 300 yards in one shot, it's good enough.

Same here

[tbonecpk]

well lol I guess I want too much for my rifles then lol but thats why I compete owell

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tbonecpk

well lol I guess I want too much for my rifles then lol but thats why I compete owell

No, tbone, for the average hunter, competition type accuracy isn't required

[Lng Rng]

whatever the kill zone on the animal your shooting is.

[tbonecpk]

lol well that still isnt accurate enough for me lol I want less than .5 moa

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by tbonecpk

lol well that still isnt accurate enough for me lol I want less than .5 moa

Some people can never be satisfied

[frozentorso]

Seems to me the vital organs on game are much bigger than those on paper. I put 3 shots into a crunched coke can at 220 yards with my AR and I was tickled silly. If I could do that with my .270 or .30-06 I'd pee myself. BTW, my rifles are better than me.

[Snakebite]

Everybody is correct. Amazing.
My lifelong goal is 2". Thats at 1,000 yards.
I would do more than pee myself. Maybe someday I will do it. Still working on it.
And if I fired two shots at 2", I wouldnt fire a third. Why screw it up.

[frozentorso]

I guess you would use a spotting telescope.

[DWARREN123]

Depends on what type firearm and sights. I believe none should be less than 3 MOA at worst for 3 shot group and 4 MOA for a 5 shot group, this is for a mil-surp with open/combat sights and mil-surp ammo.
Just my opinion.

[Full MeTal Jack]

I think this rifle is "accurate"

In blue circle. Two shots. M1 Garand off 100 yrd bench. Changed gas system. Split first two shots. Gas system was OK. Rifle shoots better that I can.
Please disreguard other shots, off hand practice.

[snowman1]

If my 22-250 won't shoot 3/8" groups I know it's time for cleaning.

[billt]

Quote:       Originally Posted by 338WinMag

Some people can never be satisfied.

I tend to agree. Also, many aren't even realistic. The term "MOA" is kicked around way too much these days. When I start hearing about 2" groups at 800 yards and such, it's time to put the boots on. People want all of this accuracy, yet as shooters and marksmen what are they going to do with it? Long range varmint hunters who shoot off rests and bi pods require better than average accuracy simply because of the size of their targets, and the distance they are shooting them at. Even for them, a gun that will shoot 1" at 100 yards repeatably is good enough. Go to a range and set up several paper plates at 100 yards, then have at it offhand, sitting, and kneeling. You will suprise yourself. It's not that easy. Most people want for guns they themselves cannot extract the performance from. Much like cars. How many people who own them can drive a Chevrolet Corvette, or a Dodge Viper to their full 190 MPH potential? Not 1 in 100 if that. It's much the same with guns. I've heard countless shooters say, "If it won't shoot MOA, I'll sell it!" Many of these same guys can't keep 10 out of 10 shots on a paper plate at 100 yards without a rest. A lot has to do with simply "wanting to own it", and that I can understand. However, with that said far too many shooters expect way too much from their guns and ammo. Most of it just isn't necessary to achieve what they as individuals intend to do with the gun in the first place. Bill T.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billt

I tend to agree. Also, many aren't even realistic. The term "MOA" is kicked around way too much these days. When I start hearing about 2" groups at 800 yards and such, it's time to put the boots on. People want all of this accuracy, yet as shooters and marksmen what are they going to do with it? Long range varmint hunters who shoot off rests and bi pods require better than average accuracy simply because of the size of their targets, and the distance they are shooting them at. Even for them, a gun that will shoot 1" at 100 yards repeatably is good enough. Go to a range and set up several paper plates at 100 yards, then have at it offhand, sitting, and kneeling. You will suprise yourself. It's not that easy. Most people want for guns they themselves cannot extract the performance from. Much like cars. How many people who own them can drive a Chevrolet Corvette, or a Dodge Viper to their full 190 MPH potential? Not 1 in 100 if that. It's much the same with guns. I've heard countless shooters say, "If it won't shoot MOA, I'll sell it!" Many of these same guys can't keep 10 out of 10 shots on a paper plate at 100 yards without a rest. A lot has to do with simply "wanting to own it", and that I can understand. However, with that said far too many shooters expect way too much from their guns and ammo. Most of it just isn't necessary to achieve what they as individuals intend to do with the gun in the first place. Bill T.

Very well put, Bill T, I totally agree, I think that most hunters/shooters have very unreal expectations as to the performance of their firearms. I personally know 2 individuals who will scrap a brand new firearm, if it won't shoot under 1". To me, acceptable accuracy is being able to keep your shots in a coke bottle at 100 yards, that is hunting accuracy, and good enough for me, I know plenty of shooters who couldn't even manage that. I have also noticed a common trend, a lot of the guys who shoot 1/4" groups at the bench, miss a lot of game in the field.

[billy]

i am mutating into a bench shooter and my idea of accurate is changing also. i want those groups tiny!

[billt]

Stainless Ruger Model 77 in .30-06, and the best it will do on a "good day".




Weatherby Vanguard in .30-06 with "MOA Test Target". Will a deer know the difference which one hit him at 75 to 100 yards? Bill T.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by billt

Stainless Ruger Model 77 in .30-06, and the best it will do on a "good day". Weatherby Vanguard in .30-06 with "MOA Test Target". Will a deer know the difference which one hit him at 75 to 100 yards? Bill T.

No the deer won't know the difference, he will die a quick and humane death, either way

[tbonecpk]

Bill I totally agree. As you know I am a competitive shooter so I want those holes tiny but most hunters that take their rifles out maybe twice a year just want too much. I know I can perform as well as my rifles its just comin down to practice. when it comes to accuracy it really takes 2. A good rifle and a very good shooter to perform well. You could have the most accurate rifle in the world but in the hands of an inexperianced shooter will look like machine gun fire on the target.

[ArkansasHunter]

I shoot a Marlin 375 big bore and it will shoot "for the first 2 shots" about a 1 inch group at 100 yards and thats IT.
It seems when the Micro-grove barrel gets warm the groups spread as much as 3 inchs. Luckily I've only needed 1 shot to shoot the deer's I've harvested.
But I would love to have a track driver....my 2 cents. Mike