[Rufus Rhastus J]

Toby who?

[NRAJOE]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

Toby who?

Your kidding right?

If not, SLAP!

[Dennis]

What killed the dixie chicks Singing carreer was NOT their statements It was the Gross arrogance after making them.
If they would have demured and knocked it off, It would have been a bump in the road for them, but since they where so arrogant about it afterwards complaining and fileing law suits with radio stations that did not play their music....
well, We just did not know how important they thought they where....
THAT is what ended it for them, their attitude.
The dixie chicks are finnished and Nothing will bring them back.
They may go on and do other things as individouls in the years to come but since they are now strongly percieved as spoiled women full of themselves, no one is interested in playing their music any more....
They forgot that they do not control what people want, and what people want can change in an instant.
reguardless, when they attacked the radio stations and "purveyors" of their product for interupting the flow, that ended it right there.
radio stations are free to play or not play what ever they want.
They wont play dixie chicks music at all now because to do so would be a capitulation, and draw protest.
they joined the war effort, on the wrong side.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Quote:       Originally Posted by NRAJOE

Your kidding right? If not, SLAP!

But, I finally got you to notice your buddy! Where you been Joe? Why you so mean to me?:ballons: And, OUCH! That was a hard slap!

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Dennis

What killed the dixie chicks Singing carreer was NOT their statements It was the Gross arrogance after making them. If they would have demured and knocked it off, It would have been a bump in the road for them, but since they where so arrogant about it afterwards complaining and fileing law suits with radio stations that did not play their music.... well, We just did not know how important they thought they where.... THAT is what ended it for them, their attitude. The dixie chicks are finnished and Nothing will bring them back. They may go on and do other things as individouls in the years to come but since they are now strongly percieved as spoiled women full of themselves, no one is interested in playing their music any more.... They forgot that they do not control what people want, and what people want can change in an instant. reguardless, when they attacked the radio stations and "purveyors" of their product for interupting the flow, that ended it right there. radio stations are free to play or not play what ever they want. They wont play dixie chicks music at all now because to do so would be a capitulation, and draw protest. they joined the war effort, on the wrong side.

Have you checked the numbers on their newest release? A little slower than their last one, but most groups would kill to sell that many albums.

I don't believe badmouthing the prez is "joining the war effort on the wrong side." This isn't some two-bit, tin-pot dictatorship with a personality cult, where insulting the Beloved Leader is sacrilege. It's supposed to be a democracy, where speaking up when we think our leaders have their heads up their tail is our patriotic duty.

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Although it isn't the way I usually operate, it makes sense to me that a person might not want someone he disagrees with prospering on his dime. But feeling that way doesn't turn the Pepsi into toilet water, or the Dixie Chicks' music into gangstah rap.

This is somewhat off the subject, but the ingredients that go into Pepsi (or any other soft-drink), are better suited to CLEANING toilets. I used to haul Pepsi ingredients into N.J. and we had to have haz-mat placards to haul it-corrosive and flammable! :insane: As far as the "chicks" go, I don't care who is in office, going to a foreign country and denouncing your duly elected president is treason. I think that entertainers should stick to entertaining and leave real life to the rest of us who actually DO live in the real world. That said, I think they make some fine music-I just won't be buying any of it. Speaking of rap, am I the only guy in the U.S. that has the urge to shoot my t.v. when he sees Flava Flav? :uzi:

[troy2000]

If entertainers should "stick to entertaining," maybe carpenters should stick to carpentering, secretaries should stick to typing, and gunsmiths should shut up and work on guns. Of course we wouldn't have a democracy any more....

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

If entertainers should "stick to entertaining," maybe carpenters should stick to carpentering, secretaries should stick to typing, and gunsmiths should shut up and work on guns. Of course we wouldn't have a democracy any more....

So you can't see a difference between a multi-million selling band, in a foreign country, trashing our president in front of thousands of adoring fans, and ole Bob at the local gunshop griping about Iraq or gas prices? What would you think if Bill Gates spent millions to attract the same size audience to rail about Ted Kennedy or Hillary? I just don't like the idea of celebrities using their status to influence popular opinion-especially when "celebrity worship" is actually considered a normal part of life in some areas. But then again, I've never viewed blaming the worlds' problems on one man as "democratic"

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by toolman

So you can't see a difference between a multi-million selling band, in a foreign country, trashing our president in front of thousands of adoring fans, and ole Bob at the local gunshop griping about Iraq or gas prices? What would you think if Bill Gates spent millions to attract the same size audience to rail about Ted Kennedy or Hillary? I just don't like the idea of celebrities using their status to influence popular opinion-especially when "celebrity worship" is actually considered a normal part of life in some areas. But then again, I've never viewed blaming the worlds' problems on one man as "democratic"

They're both trying to influence whatever people they have access to.

Would you put some kind of limit on the right to free speech? That if your audience is over a certain size, or you've sold "x" number of albums, or you have more than a certain amount of money, you give up your right to speak your mind or be politically active?

I don't think it's any big deal anyway; how many people take their political marching orders from a chick in a country band?

And how about Toby Keith? Is it only ok for entertainers to sound off if they're supporters of George Dubya Bush?

[Dallas]

The local country station is trying to give away tickets to an upcoming Dixie Chicks concert. People are calling in and getting them but from what I've heard the calls are few.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

I neve liked them much, anyway.

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

They're both trying to influence whatever people they have access to. Would you put some kind of limit on the right to free speech? That if your audience is over a certain size, or you've sold "x" number of albums, or you have more than a certain amount of money, you give up your right to speak your mind or be politically active? I don't think it's any big deal anyway; how many people take their political marching orders from a chick in a country band? And how about Toby Keith? Is it only ok for entertainers to sound off if they're supporters of George Dubya Bush?

As someone who fought for our country, I would think that you would be a bit more respectful of the office even if you don't like the person in it. I don't like everything that GWB does or doesn't do, but he is still our president. If I have a problem with someone, I believe in confronting them and working on said problem-not talking trash about them behind their back. I'm just getting really bummed that everyone in the U.S. thinks it's okay to take cheap shots at whatever pres. is in office. I just think that the world would be better off if respect and decorum hadn't been kicked to the side of the road.

[Despoiler]

There use to be a saying in the US that "Politics stopped at the waters edge". While I think that disagreement inside of our country is important, when you are outside of the country you should support the country and if you cant do that then keep your !!!! mouth shut.

Personally I used to like the Dixie Chicks music, but I will not support anyone whom has the bad taste to criticize President Bush in front of a foreign audience.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by toolman

As someone who fought for our country, I would think that you would be a bit more respectful of the office even if you don't like the person in it. I don't like everything that GWB does or doesn't do, but he is still our president. If I have a problem with someone, I believe in confronting them and working on said problem-not talking trash about them behind their back. I'm just getting really bummed that everyone in the U.S. thinks it's okay to take cheap shots at whatever pres. is in office. I just think that the world would be better off if respect and decorum hadn't been kicked to the side of the road.

the Republicans spent eight years attacking Clinton every possible way they could. They called him a murderer, a drug dealer, a traitor, a draft dodger, a rapist, a coward....you name it they accused him of it, and precious little of what they said had to do with the way he was actually trying to run the country.

Now they are shocked, SHOCKED I say, that anyone would fail to treat his successor with the dignity and respect they suddenly believe the office of the presidency deserves. After the example they set, what on earth did they expect?

And there's a major difference between the criticism of Clinton and that of Bush that shouldn't be missed: most of the dumping on Bush is directly related to the way he and his administration have run, or rather failed to run, the country.

Look at the way FEMA went from being a competent, respected agency under Clinton to a rest home for political hacks under Bush. Look at the way the FDA has been making decisions based on politics instead of on medicine and science. Look at the way the Labor Relations Board has been transformed into a weapon of business against labor, instead of protecting the working man. How about the federal budget surplus that he turned into a record deficit in no time flat?

From one end of the Bush administration to the other, professionalism and dedication have been replaced with cronyism and political patronage. And don't even get me started on how they ignored every professional military and diplomatic opinion, and every piece of contingency planning ever worked out, when they went into Iraq.

How much respect would you really expect me to show him, beyond the basic courtesy due his rank if he ever happens to turn up at one of my barbeques?

[oneastrix]

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......Troy, whatcha cookin' at that BBQ you speak of? I'll bring the Braut's!!!!

[Rave]

Sounds like a plan.The wifw e and I are going to her brothers today for a cook out.
Anyway,some of our questions may be answered by the end of November.:lucky:
P/S,we are bringing the deviled eggs!

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by oneastrix

......Troy, whatcha cookin' at that BBQ you speak of? I'll bring the Braut's!!!!

Near as I can make out thru the grease stains, old BBQ sauce and spilled beer, it says there's gonna be a double rack of spare ribs with a lemon, honey and garlic marinade, slow-smoked for about six hours. Also corn on the cob, nopales (cactus) salad, home-made sourdough rolls, and whatever the wife chips in with. And beer; lots of beer.

The brauts should help keep us alive until the ribs are done. Bring 'em on over. And there's always room for deviled eggs...

[Rufus Rhastus J]

'Hoes....

[toolman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

Near as I can make out thru the grease stains, old BBQ sauce and spilled beer, it says there's gonna be a double rack of spare ribs with a lemon, honey and garlic marinade, slow-smoked for about six hours. Also corn on the cob, nopales (cactus) salad, home-made sourdough rolls, and whatever the wife chips in with. And beer; lots of beer. The brauts should help keep us alive until the ribs are done. Bring 'em on over. And there's always room for deviled eggs...

You and I may never agree on politics, but you've got good taste in food !
One of these days I'm gonna look you up when I'm in Cali. and buy you a beer-I like cantankerous old geezers.

[troy2000]

Quote:       Originally Posted by toolman

You and I may never agree on politics, but you've got good taste in food ! One of these days I'm gonna look you up when I'm in Cali. and buy you a beer-I like cantankerous old geezers.

because I like beer.:cheer:

I can definitely be cantankerous. And I'm working on getting old; I turned 57 last week. But I dunno about the last one: can you qualify as a geezer if you still have your hair and your teeth?