Trains found underwater! Mystery!

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-23-2006, 08:04 PM

This is a true story!

5 miles off the NJ coast in 85 feet of water two steam locomotives found lying upright within 10 feet of each other, side by side. There is no shipwreck in or around the engines. Aside from a box carrying some large lollipop looking items there is nothing else to be found in the vicinity. They are estimated to be 150 years old. Wanna guess how they got there?

Apollyon67 · 05-23-2006, 09:45 PM

I reckon they slipped off a ship during a storm. How close am I?

BattleRifleG3 · 05-23-2006, 10:05 PM

That would be my guess too.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-23-2006, 10:15 PM

Pretty much the going answer! That or they jettisoned them to avoid capsizing. Any clue as to how they landed right side up? This is an easy one!

There is no record of any ship losing two locomotives during a storm.

heilung · 05-23-2006, 10:26 PM

Amtrak budget cuts

Patterson Nj was a big locomotive manufacturing center in 1856. I surmise a shipping barge sank or even a ferry got swept out to sea in a storm. I dont think a bridge collapsed, but then I dont know exactly where they were found. The lollypops are probably old signals depending on how big etc.Heilung

Troy · 05-23-2006, 11:12 PM

i got the answer for ya. some time ago i was watching a show about the very story you are talking about. these guys went nuts trying to find out why those trains were out there. apparently there is only one or two trains identical to those that were found on the bottom, and they are in a museam somewhere. this helped out the investigaters greatly cause now they had something very specific to search for in records. apparently those trains were on a boat, and it encountered heavy weather. the ships crew cut the trains loose to save the ship. the investigaters even found the old insurance documents or something like that. anyways they did find paperwork referring to the loss of the trains at sea. thats kind of the meat and potatoes of the story, the tv one was much better than the one that i just told. cool story huh?

Rufus Rhastus J · 05-24-2006, 12:00 AM

cool, how did they get there? Anyone really know?

Troy · 05-24-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

cool, how did they get there? Anyone really know?

dang it man, i jus told ya.

troylaplante · 05-24-2006, 07:20 AM

I saw the same "Deep Sea Detectives" episode some time ago.

Dallas · 05-24-2006, 09:23 AM

Yep I saw the same show on the History channel (?) about six months ago, cool story.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-24-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Troy

anyways they did find paperwork referring to the loss of the trains at sea. thats kind of the meat and potatoes of the story,

I just spoke to the person in charge (via Email) of the recovery of the engines at the historical society. He did not know as of Tuesday which ship the locomotives were from. But they believe as you indicated that the engines were either swept or cut during a storm.

Apollyon67 · 05-24-2006, 07:52 PM

SA Any word on if they will bring one or both back to the surface any time soon? That would be something so cool to see, No modifications or upgrades on them.

Troy · 05-25-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I just spoke to the person in charge (via Email) of the recovery of the engines at the historical society. He did not know as of Tuesday which ship the locomotives were from. But they believe as you indicated that the engines were either swept or cut during a storm.

i dont want to swear to it, but i am reasonably sure that i remember that they had the name of a ship that the investigater believed to be the one that carried the locomotives. and i recall that they found some sort of documentation on them. i think it may have been some newspaper artical that they searched through miles of microfilm for.

lefty o · 05-25-2006, 01:22 AM

they landed right side up because they are bottom heavy, + unless the steam drums were holding water they would be holding air. thereby keeping the locomotives rightside up as they sank.

Rufus Rhastus J · 05-25-2006, 08:46 AM

Sorry Troy....I'm old and take pills....Thanks for pointing that out.

Gio · 05-25-2006, 06:00 PM

Yep it was on a show. They said it slipped off of a ship in a storm. There are not many locomotive like these either.

Troy · 05-25-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus Rhastus J

Sorry Troy....I'm old and take pills....Thanks for pointing that out.

LOL!

Rufus Rhastus J · 05-26-2006, 07:59 AM

The best place to hide something is in plain sight....

toolman · 05-27-2006, 01:32 AM

I figure they were built right there by the same guys that built the sub on top of the hill in Mexico.

Full MeTal Jack · 05-28-2006, 11:23 AM

Dang! Just think, the local fisherman had a honey-hole artificial reef for years.

05-23-2006, 08:04 PM	#1
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,087 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Trains found underwater! Mystery! This is a true story! 5 miles off the NJ coast in 85 feet of water two steam locomotives found lying upright within 10 feet of each other, side by side. There is no shipwreck in or around the engines. Aside from a box carrying some large lollipop looking items there is nothing else to be found in the vicinity. They are estimated to be 150 years old. Wanna guess how they got there? __________________ Spocrest Out!.......... Last edited by SPOCAHP ANAR; 05-23-2006 at 10:16 PM.

05-23-2006, 09:45 PM	#2
Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,235 Images: 17	I reckon they slipped off a ship during a storm. How close am I? __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

05-23-2006, 10:05 PM	#3
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That would be my guess too. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

05-23-2006, 10:15 PM	#4
SPOCAHP ANAR Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SC-upstate Posts: 4,087 Images: 3 Blog Entries: 4	Pretty much the going answer! That or they jettisoned them to avoid capsizing. Any clue as to how they landed right side up? This is an easy one! There is no record of any ship losing two locomotives during a storm. __________________ Spocrest Out!..........

05-23-2006, 10:26 PM	#5
heilung Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 225	Amtrak budget cuts Patterson Nj was a big locomotive manufacturing center in 1856. I surmise a shipping barge sank or even a ferry got swept out to sea in a storm. I dont think a bridge collapsed, but then I dont know exactly where they were found. The lollypops are probably old signals depending on how big etc.Heilung Last edited by heilung; 05-23-2006 at 10:34 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-23-2006, 11:12 PM	#6
Troy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Manitoba Canada Posts: 2,501 Images: 3	i got the answer for ya. some time ago i was watching a show about the very story you are talking about. these guys went nuts trying to find out why those trains were out there. apparently there is only one or two trains identical to those that were found on the bottom, and they are in a museam somewhere. this helped out the investigaters greatly cause now they had something very specific to search for in records. apparently those trains were on a boat, and it encountered heavy weather. the ships crew cut the trains loose to save the ship. the investigaters even found the old insurance documents or something like that. anyways they did find paperwork referring to the loss of the trains at sea. thats kind of the meat and potatoes of the story, the tv one was much better than the one that i just told. cool story huh?

05-24-2006, 12:00 AM	#7
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	cool, how did they get there? Anyone really know? __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

05-24-2006, 07:20 AM	#9
troylaplante Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Selma, NC Posts: 2,223	I saw the same "Deep Sea Detectives" episode some time ago.

05-24-2006, 09:23 AM	#10
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,595	Yep I saw the same show on the History channel (?) about six months ago, cool story.

05-24-2006, 07:52 PM	#12
Apollyon67 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 2,235 Images: 17	SA Any word on if they will bring one or both back to the surface any time soon? That would be something so cool to see, No modifications or upgrades on them. __________________ "To err is human, to repent divine; to persist devilish." Ben Franklin

05-25-2006, 01:22 AM	#14
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 4,785	they landed right side up because they are bottom heavy, + unless the steam drums were holding water they would be holding air. thereby keeping the locomotives rightside up as they sank.

05-25-2006, 08:46 AM	#15
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	Sorry Troy....I'm old and take pills....Thanks for pointing that out. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

05-25-2006, 06:00 PM	#16
Gio Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 804 Images: 8	Yep it was on a show. They said it slipped off of a ship in a storm. There are not many locomotive like these either. __________________ Blow you up.

05-26-2006, 07:59 AM	#18
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	The best place to hide something is in plain sight.... __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

05-27-2006, 01:32 AM	#19
toolman Mr. Fixit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: abilene,tx Posts: 5,566 Blog Entries: 22	I figure they were built right there by the same guys that built the sub on top of the hill in Mexico. __________________ Don't be messin' with my gun!

05-28-2006, 11:23 AM	#20
Full MeTal Jack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 1,422 Images: 1	Dang! Just think, the local fisherman had a honey-hole artificial reef for years. __________________ [IMG]http://img287.echo.cx/img287/63/9130110x100a4vb.jpg