This is going way too far, needs to end....

Stopper · 05-31-2006, 02:30 PM

.. with these MFer's getting fired, drawn, quartered and then left to bleed out.

Police torture in Knoxville TN
When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave. They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen.

When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him. They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him. Then they arrested him for "evading arrest"."
Police torture in Knoxville TN
When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave. They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen.

When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him. They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him. Then they arrested him for "evading arrest"."

http://wms.scripps.com/knoxville/siler/siler.mp3

If this doesn't really tork you off then something is really wrong with you.

Pred · 05-31-2006, 02:46 PM

Something doesn't sound right here. If this did happen, it would be all over the news. Police brutality is one of those things the media will jump on and ride into the ground(remember rodney king?). I've looked at a few websites, including a Knoxville newspaper, and see nothing of it. I don't know what that .mp3 link you posted is, doesn't work on my machine. Do you have any other sources?

This is the only thing I've found:

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...2&provider=top

While I don't condone what the police officers did, your story seems to leave some stuff out.

Stopper · 05-31-2006, 03:25 PM

Got the original from www.ogrish.com, pretty raunchy website, but once in awhile it has something like this.

I had no trouble with the mp3. Hope this isn't real also, but if it is, I don't give a fat rats arss what the guy did, torture should be dealt with in a real and serious way. If the deputies are in jail, then good, especially if they did do this. Heck, they should be in general population for what they did.

here's more

http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...4&provider=top

and more

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/reada...?ArtNum=143447

BattleRifleG3 · 05-31-2006, 03:44 PM

Something suggests the wrong person was investigated for drugs. Am I the only one here who, if they were in that situation, would believe, quite promptly, that these were not actually police officers and should be treated as violent criminals invading my home and threatening my life?

SPOCAHP ANAR · 05-31-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Am I the only one here who, if they were in that situation, would believe, quite promptly, that these were not actually police officers and should be treated as violent criminals invading my home and threatening my life?

No; but not everyone is as freedom loving as you and I. Did you know in that situation you described that you would be prosecuted for murder of innocent police officers. The police have immunity to shoot if you hold a gun but you are expected to see a smal silver badge the size of an apple and not the 3-4 guys rushing in your door screaming.

troy2000 · 05-31-2006, 11:15 PM

On top of everything else, their focus on wanting all the drugs and all the money does make me wonder just how pure their motives were.

If I were a cop, this story would drive me up a wall. They've poisoned public attitudes for probably a generation or more in that area.

BattleRifleG3 · 06-01-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

The police have immunity to shoot if you hold a gun but you are expected to see a smal silver badge the size of an apple and not the 3-4 guys rushing in your door screaming.

I think the opposite position has in certain cases been upheld in court, that the police acted improperly and that people responded justly in self defense. This has in some cases been the result of raiding the wrong houses.

Rave · 06-01-2006, 09:52 AM

It may be another example of how far authority will go when unchecked.

Beer Forever · 06-01-2006, 11:26 AM

IT sounds to me like those guys were posing as police, but if they were in fact police officers it would be hard to shoot them and get away with self-defense. Even though they were acting how they were, it would be next to impossible to shoot a cop and get self-defense, it wouldn't happen. Out here in the desert and back woods the law enforcement act a little different knowing that they are not being watched over and that it would be their word against yours. I think of myself as a good person, I pay taxes, donate to charity, help anyone I can anytimed. You should have seen the things they have done to me.

Pred · 06-01-2006, 11:32 AM

See, thats what all those fancy pen size cameras and recorders are for.

You know what really needs to end, reading headlines like this:

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GARDEN GROVE, California (AP) -- A 1-year-old girl spent up to three days alone with the bloody bodies of her murdered family, her face kicked or beaten and lips cracked from dehydration, police said.

Beer Forever · 06-01-2006, 01:59 PM

Don't get me wrong, I am all for supporting the police and law-enforcement, but the good guys and gals. THe ones who will see that you are out of gas and give you a ride to the next station. THe ones who sacrifice their lives every day to protect American citizens. I am all for those people and my deepest apprecition to goes out to them. It is the ones who abuse their power and get away with things that normal people can't just because they are in the government. If I shot a lawyer in the face with a shotgun I would still be in jail. The police were not even called.

BattleRifleG3 · 06-01-2006, 03:34 PM

That's one reason I'm inclined to think such people aren't LE officers - because it's so unlike what I believe LE officers to be. LE that enforce the law within the law have my total support, respect, and cooperation.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-01-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

I think the opposite position has in certain cases been upheld in court, that the police acted improperly and that people responded justly in self defense. This has in some cases been the result of raiding the wrong houses.

I'm not a gombling man; but even I would put money on the table that your hind end would be in the pokie!

BattleRifleG3 · 06-01-2006, 03:57 PM

That's just it - it isn't consistently held either way. You're absolutely right that it would be a gamble.

I'm thinking, hindsight being 20/20, that his wife could have called the police department and had someone put an end to it before they fried every body part. If this was local PD, perhaps call the state police? Not expecting her to have thought this through, but maybe something to think about for other cases of police misconduct.

SPOCAHP ANAR · 06-01-2006, 04:08 PM

On another related topic............ Does anyone remeber the outcome of the white Ca. Police officer that was accused of slamming a young black male's face onto the police car's trunk after the officer had him handcuffs?

Remember it don't you? Never heard the outcome of the investigation.

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Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

That's just it - it isn't consistently held either way. You're absolutely right that it would be a gamble.

Your rights versus Big Government; always place your money on big Government.

Beer Forever · 06-01-2006, 04:19 PM

Who knows, you don't know what to believe these days.

Rufus Rhastus J · 06-02-2006, 08:36 AM

no, i guess not, but, either way, it's a pretty disturbing story.

oneastrix · 06-02-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

On another related topic............ Does anyone remeber the outcome of the white Ca. Police officer that was accused of slamming a young black male's face onto the police car's trunk after the officer had him handcuffs?
Remember it don't you? Never heard the outcome of the investigation.

Your rights versus Big Government; always place your money on big Government.

I remember the incident. Not completely sure of the outcome, but if I recall he lost his job and was criminally charged.....not sure of the outcome completely.

But once again, the media only showed a portion of the incident. I can tell from personal experience that the fight is often not over once an officer has the suspect in handcuffs. The suspect often keeps resisting, kicking, etc.....

troy2000 · 06-02-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sks forever

Who knows, you don't know what to believe these days.

When the tape showed up, they fell all over themselves confessing but blaming each other, and they were convicted and sent to prison. As a rule, juries are notoriously willing to give cops the benefit of the doubt--if there is any.

Sounds like the prep's wife is kind of wasted on him, though. It's a pity she's quick-witted enough, and determined enough, to have flipped on the tape recorder, but has lousy enough taste in men to be hanging with him to begin with.

Of course, there's also the possibility she's been the brains of the outfit from the get-go, and he's the dummy doing what he's told and taking the fall.

BattleRifleG3 · 06-02-2006, 08:33 PM

Was there ever any evidence against him to begin with?

05-31-2006, 02:30 PM	#1
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	This is going way too far, needs to end.... .. with these MFer's getting fired, drawn, quartered and then left to bleed out. Police torture in Knoxville TN When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave. They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen. When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him. They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him. Then they arrested him for "evading arrest"." Police torture in Knoxville TN When Tennessee law enforcement officials showed up at the home of Lester Siler, who they suspected of drug use, they asked Lester's wife and son to leave. They didn't know that Lester's wife had turned on a tape recorder in the kitchen. When Lester exercised his constitutional right not to sign a consent to search his house, these officers spent the next two hours torturing him. They beat him with bats and guns, held loaded guns to his head, threatened to shoot him, dunked his head in the toilet, burned him with lighters, attached his testicles to a battery charger, threatened to cut off his fingers, and threatened to "go get" his wife and take his child away from him. Then they arrested him for "evading arrest"." http://wms.scripps.com/knoxville/siler/siler.mp3 If this doesn't really tork you off then something is really wrong with you. __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law"

05-31-2006, 02:46 PM	#2
Pred Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,873 Blog Entries: 3	Something doesn't sound right here. If this did happen, it would be all over the news. Police brutality is one of those things the media will jump on and ride into the ground(remember rodney king?). I've looked at a few websites, including a Knoxville newspaper, and see nothing of it. I don't know what that .mp3 link you posted is, doesn't work on my machine. Do you have any other sources? This is the only thing I've found: http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...2&provider=top While I don't condone what the police officers did, your story seems to leave some stuff out. Last edited by Pred; 05-31-2006 at 02:53 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-31-2006, 03:25 PM	#3
Stopper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansass Posts: 2,211 Images: 1	Got the original from www.ogrish.com, pretty raunchy website, but once in awhile it has something like this. I had no trouble with the mp3. Hope this isn't real also, but if it is, I don't give a fat rats arss what the guy did, torture should be dealt with in a real and serious way. If the deputies are in jail, then good, especially if they did do this. Heck, they should be in general population for what they did. here's more http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story...4&provider=top and more http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/reada...?ArtNum=143447 __________________ They should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law" Last edited by Stopper; 05-31-2006 at 03:29 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

05-31-2006, 03:44 PM	#4
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Something suggests the wrong person was investigated for drugs. Am I the only one here who, if they were in that situation, would believe, quite promptly, that these were not actually police officers and should be treated as violent criminals invading my home and threatening my life? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf Last edited by BattleRifleG3; 05-31-2006 at 03:46 PM.

05-31-2006, 11:15 PM	#6
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,459 Images: 9	Talk about P___ing on their own doorstep... On top of everything else, their focus on wanting all the drugs and all the money does make me wonder just how pure their motives were. If I were a cop, this story would drive me up a wall. They've poisoned public attitudes for probably a generation or more in that area.

06-01-2006, 09:52 AM	#8
Rave Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 6,875	It may be another example of how far authority will go when unchecked. __________________ USAF '62-'66 .

06-01-2006, 11:26 AM	#9
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	IT sounds to me like those guys were posing as police, but if they were in fact police officers it would be hard to shoot them and get away with self-defense. Even though they were acting how they were, it would be next to impossible to shoot a cop and get self-defense, it wouldn't happen. Out here in the desert and back woods the law enforcement act a little different knowing that they are not being watched over and that it would be their word against yours. I think of myself as a good person, I pay taxes, donate to charity, help anyone I can anytimed. You should have seen the things they have done to me.

06-01-2006, 01:59 PM	#11
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	Don't get me wrong, I am all for supporting the police and law-enforcement, but the good guys and gals. THe ones who will see that you are out of gas and give you a ride to the next station. THe ones who sacrifice their lives every day to protect American citizens. I am all for those people and my deepest apprecition to goes out to them. It is the ones who abuse their power and get away with things that normal people can't just because they are in the government. If I shot a lawyer in the face with a shotgun I would still be in jail. The police were not even called.

06-01-2006, 03:34 PM	#12
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That's one reason I'm inclined to think such people aren't LE officers - because it's so unlike what I believe LE officers to be. LE that enforce the law within the law have my total support, respect, and cooperation. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

06-01-2006, 03:57 PM	#14
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	That's just it - it isn't consistently held either way. You're absolutely right that it would be a gamble. I'm thinking, hindsight being 20/20, that his wife could have called the police department and had someone put an end to it before they fried every body part. If this was local PD, perhaps call the state police? Not expecting her to have thought this through, but maybe something to think about for other cases of police misconduct. __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf

06-01-2006, 04:19 PM	#16
Beer Forever Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,714	Who knows, you don't know what to believe these days.

06-02-2006, 08:36 AM	#17
Rufus Rhastus J Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: West, Central Florida, Third World America Posts: 6,339 Images: 1	no, i guess not, but, either way, it's a pretty disturbing story. __________________ "They cannot be trusted.....The Romulans (our politicos) are without honor." Worf

06-02-2006, 08:33 PM	#20
BattleRifleG3 Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Western PA Posts: 11,401 Images: 13	Was there ever any evidence against him to begin with? __________________ Trust is earned, not... GIVEN away. - Worf