[billy]

you wouldnt want it sam.
it's a useless caliber.
i couldnt do a thing like that to you!

[samuel]

I am not afraid:I have made that useless cal. work wonders on everything from small varmints to moose and bear.But then I shoot to hit something,not to find something to bi*** about.As MM stated,that one post is just silly. sam.

[SilverRun]

[QUOTE=Johnnycat;357901]I hate a 300 Win mag - useless caliber if you ask me. QUOTE]

I do hope you were drunk when you wrote this! Because you need an excuse for writing something this goofy!

That useless caliber has been around since the 1950's and taken just about every critter that walks or crawls. It is currently used by the Army long range rifle team - I just saw a special on the History channel last night about it. Don't see how you could complain about recoil and say you don't need more than a 30-06 and then recommend the .300 Weatherby? You were right though when you said the 30-06 is a good round - because it is, but for many things the .300 win mag is superior.

[Johnnycat]

Excuse me? I don't like your pet caliber, so that's silly?

I stand by my original statement. I didn't say you couldn't use it. I think there are better choices. The 30-06 is much better for smaller game and the 300 Weatherby is much better for larger game or longer shots.

I'm not a fan of having one all-around rifle - I like having a specific caliber for a specific purpose. The 300 Win mag doesn't fit that model.

[Midas]

The .300 Win mag is one of the best choices for the NA hunter, I don't see how you can bash the .300 Win Mag, and praise the .300 Weatherby, as the .300 Weatherby doesn't do the job any better! I have owned several .300 Winnies in my life, and none of them failed to get the job done.

[Johnnycat]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Midas

I have owned several .300 Winnies in my life, and none of them failed to get the job done.

Yes, and I killed a deer at 150 yards with a .223 (it didn't fail to get the job done then) but it is not my caliber of choice.

The 300 Weatherby is head-and-shoulders above the Winchester.

[BattleRifleG3]

I think the question of the 300 Win Mag's usefulness is whether it's a big enough step above the 30-06 to be useful. There are some hot loads of 30-06 that may suggest that the mildest loads of 300 Win Mag aren't much, but my understanding of the wide range of loads out there for the 300 Win Mag, including factory ones, do give it a class of its own. The 300 Wby and 300 RUM do have more power than the 300 Win Mag, but the options with the Win Mag are so great that it has them beat on versatility. Remington's multiple level power loads for the 300 RUM won't mean squat if they all cost over $40 a box.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Johnnycat

Yes, and I killed a deer at 150 yards with a .223 (it didn't fail to get the job done then) but it is not my caliber of choice. The 300 Weatherby is head-and-shoulders above the Winchester.

Yes, and how is it head and shoulders above the .300 Winny? does it seem to kill the game deader? more of a knockout effect? I just fail to see how it offers much more than a .300 Win Mag. It isn't the cartridge case that kills the animal, it is the bullet, and the last time I looked in my manual, the .300 Win Mag, and .300 Weatherby fired the same bullet, at pretty close to the same speeds. The .300 Win Mag will do all you need a .30 cal magnum to do. If the .300 Win Mag won't cut it, I will step up to a .338 or .375 cal rifle

[BattleRifleG3]

Ballistically, the 300 Wby is as far ahead of the 300 Win Mag as the Win Mag is ahead of the 30-06, when using standard loads. When using hot loads or special powder/case combinations like Hornady's Heavy Mag ammo, the Win Mag approaches Weatherby/RUM performance. The Hornady heavy mag ammo also costs a little bit less than Weatherby or RUM ammo. To me the difference isn't so much what it does on impact as what it does on the way there, ie drop and wind deflection.

[Midas]

Quote:       Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

To me the difference isn't so much what it does on impact as what it does on the way there, ie drop and wind deflection.

Agreed, every cartridge has it's purpose.

[rckymtnboy]

I put down my grandpa's 30-06 years ago and picked up a .300 winnie. Compare the ballistics and trajectory of the two. The .300 shoots MUCH flatter. I would use the .300 for anything I ever used a 30-06 on. The .300 Winnie and the WSM are quite popular at long distance shoots...when is the last time you heard of a 30-06 as a bench-rest rifle? Around my neck of the woods, quite a few elk, deer and antelope are being taken with the .300. I also have the .300 WSM and love it even more. To each their own, but to call the .300 Win Mag useless??? Well, that's just as crazy as trying to nail jell-o to a tree.

[Drabsch]

Quote:       Originally Posted by Beer Forever

I saw a really nice rifle at the gun store in 300 Win Mag. I haven't shot 300 Win Mag before, is it a decent round? How is it compared to the .308?

hey its a brilliant gun. it has the great amount of kick to it.. but when reloading it depends on which powder you use. you always want the best powder and also some powders you will need to fill the brass up more or even less .
ammo for it is a bit costy but its always great to also just buy the shells and dies and then reload

[polarnewfie]

How anyone can say the .300 weatherby is in all ways superior is blowing smoke out their a ss, and have WAY too much money. Have you priced the ammo for weatherby cartridges? Where I shop , the cheapest box I can find for the weatherby is 62 bucks. Great ammo for lots of practice. It shoots 200-300 f/s faster, but after 3000 f/s it doesnt really matter, and bullets start to fragment at higher velocities anyhow. Optimal speed usually is at the .300 Win Mag speeds for most bullets.
One shooter said that he likes 220 grain bullets in the .300 Win, I have to say that with the short neck on this cartridge, Bullets need to be seated too deep to stabilize them properly and the most effective sizes for the .300 win mag are 150 grain to 200 grain.
I have a .300 win mag savage 116 weather warrior (WHICH I LOVE)and at 6.75 pounds recoil is significant but I use other smaller calibers for all day shooting at the range. Putting a premium recoil pad or getting a heavier rifle help taming recoil. But with something tasty in the crosshairs, who really ever feels recoil anyways?
.300 weatherby's are just a waste of extra powder and talk about recoil!!
In my humble opinion, the .300 win mag is about the most superior round for use in North America and I will no doubt ever need another rifle.
Like said before, Dead is Dead and cost of ammo and availability of said ammo is something else to consider, just go to any ammo store and try to not find a good selection of reasonably priced .300 win mag ammo over .300 weatherby ammo

[LiveToShoot]

Beer Forever, there's an informative article in Handloader Magazine, Oct 2007, No. 249, titled "Does Inherent Accuracy Exist?" that covers the 300 Win Mag and 308 comparison questions nicely: http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazin...49partial1.pdf

[nathangdad]

I suggest you try to shoot someone else's .300 mag or watch someone at a shooting range. It is a large step up from the .308 in terms of recoil and muzzle blast. As a normal person will practice more with the .308 they will attain marksmanship superior to what they would have with a .300 mag

[LiveToShoot]

To help me adjust to the increased recoil the 300 WM provides, I've reloaded lighter loads and got used to shooting them before taking on the higher velocity rounds, to help reduce my trigger jerk and control any flinching. The hot loads in my 45-70 really got my attention too..., and do cause some trigger jerk and flinching if I don't work it up gradually when taking it out shooting.

[lastman]

Quote:       Originally Posted by herrsquidward

The .300 Win Mag is an excellent caliber. I was looking to buy a 30/06 when a friend of mine offered to sell me his .300 Win Mag. The price was irresistable so I got it. Though it has considerable recoil, I'll likely never need another rifle unless I aim to hunt Cape Buffalo or something like that. The .300 Win Mag has nearly the versatility of the '06. While it was designed for larger game, I got a decent whitetail in Georgia last year and the bullet didn't destroy the meat like people said it would.

[SwedeSteve]

Moose,you took the words right outta ma mouf!

[billy]

anybody want my m-70?
i dont like it now....
i only want my animals dead from something that says
WEATHERBY!

i was a fool for ever thinking that the round the u.s. military uses was good enough.
can you kind folks find it in your hearts to forgive me?

[SwedeSteve]

Billy, I'll take it off your hands. That's the rifle I wanted when Moose was down here. I SETTLED for a 300 Weatherby(Nice Sako), but I WILL find a M70 300 WinMag!