Old 08-08-2006, 10:23 AM   #1
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Smile I know, I know. But, us conspiracy folk wanna know more.

since the excitement is so low today I though I might search the alturnative news site and see could I come up with news to brighten your day/evening and provoke a sheet storm! Behold, my latest attempt to stir your thoughts and comments up!


9/11 conspiracy theorists energized
Five years later, purveyors claim academic momentum

CNN/AP | August 6 2006

(AP) -- Kevin Barrett believes the U.S. government might have destroyed the World Trade Center. Steven Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the twin towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them, not by hijacked airliners.
These men aren't uneducated junk scientists: Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall, over the protests of more than 60 state legislators. Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists.
Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on September 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago, Illinois.
The movement claims to be drawing fresh energy and credibility from a recently formed group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
The organization says publicity over Barrett's case has helped boost membership to about 75 academics. They are a tiny minority of the 1 million part- and full-time faculty nationwide, and some have no university affiliation. Most aren't experts in relevant fields.
But some are well educated, with degrees from elite universities such as Princeton and Stanford and jobs at schools including Rice, Indiana and the University of Texas.
"Things are happening," said co-founder James Fetzer, a retired philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth, who maintains, among other claims, that some of the hijackers are still alive. "We're going to continue to do this. Our role is to establish what really happened on 9/11."
What really happened, the national September 11 commission concluded after 1,200 interviews, was that hijackers crashed planes into the twin towers.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology, a government agency, filed 10,000 pages of reports that found fires caused by the crashing planes were more than sufficient to collapse the buildings.
The scholars' group rejects those conclusions. Their Web site contends the government has been dishonest.
It adds: the "World Trade Center was almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions" and "the government not only permitted 9/11 to occur but may even have orchestrated these events to facilitate its political agenda."
The standards and technology institute, and many mainstream scientists, won't debate conspiracy theorists, saying they don't want to lend them unwarranted credibility.
'It's not really science'
But some worry the academic background of the group could do that anyway.
Members of the conspiracy community "practically worship the ground [Jones] walks on because he's seen as a scientist who is preaching to their side," said FR Greening, a Canadian chemist who has written several papers rebutting the science used by September 11 conspiracy theorists.
"It's science, but it's politically motivated. It's science with an ax to grind, and therefore it's not really science."
Faculty can express any opinion outside the classroom, said Roger Bowen, general secretary of the American Association of University Professors.
However, "with academic freedom comes academic responsibility. And that requires them to teach the truth of their discipline, and the truth does not include conspiracy theories, or flat Earth theories, or Holocaust denial theories."
Members of the group don't consider themselves extremists. They simply believe the government's investigation was inadequate, and maintain that questioning widely held assumptions has been part of the job of scholars for centuries.
"Tenure gives you a secure position where you can engage in controversial issues," Fetzer said. "That's what you should be doing."
But when asked what did happen in 2001, members often step outside the rigorous, data-based culture of the academy and defer to their own instincts.
Daniel Orr, a Princeton Ph.D. and widely published retired economics chair at the University of Illinois, said he knew instantly from watching the towers fall that they had been blown apart by explosives. He was reminded of watching an old housing project being destroyed in St. Louis, Missouri.
David Gabbard, an East Carolina education professor, acknowledges this isn't his field, but says "I'm smart enough to know ... that fire from airplanes can't melt steel."
When they do cite evidence, critics such as Greening contend it's junk science from fellow conspiracy theorists, dressed up in the language and format of real research to give it a sense of credibility.
Ex-professor doubts government
Jones focuses on the relatively narrow question of whether molten metal present at the World Trade Center site after the attacks is evidence that a high-temperature incendiary called thermite, which can be used to weld or cut metal, was involved in the towers' destruction.
He concludes thermite was present, throwing the government's entire explanation into question and suggesting someone might have used explosives to bring down the towers.
"I have not run into many who have read my paper and said it's just all hogwash," Jones said.
Judy Wood, until recently an assistant professor of mechanical engineering at Clemson University, has been cited by conspiracy theorists for her arguments the buildings could not have collapsed as quickly as they did unless explosives were used.
"If the U.S. government is lying about how the buildings came down, anything else they say cannot be believed," she said. "So why would they want to tell us an incorrect story if they weren't part of it?"
In fact, say Greening and other experts, the molten metal Jones cites was most likely aluminum from the planes, and any number of explanations are more likely than thermite.
And the National Institute of Standards and Technology's report describes how the buildings collapsed from the inside in a chain reaction once the floors began falling.
"We respect the opinions of others, but we just didn't see any evidence of what people are claiming," institute spokesman Michael Newman said.
Wisconsin officials say they do not endorse the views of Barrett, an adjunct, but after investigating concluded he would handle the material responsibly in the classroom.
That didn't mollify many state legislators.
"The general public from Maine to Oregon knows why the trade towers went down," said state Rep. Stephen Nass, a Republican. "It's not a matter of unpopular ideas; it's a matter of quality education and giving students their money's worth in the classroom."
In a July 20 letter obtained by The Associated Press in an open records request, Wisconsin Provost Patrick Farrell warned Barrett to tone down his publicity seeking, and said he would reconsider allowing Barrett to teach if he continued to identify himself with the university in his political messages.
BYU's physics department and engineering school have issued statements distancing themselves from Jones' work, but he says they have not interfered.
At Clemson, Wood did not receive tenure last year, but her former department chair, Imtiaz ul Haque, denies her accusation that it was at least partly because of her September 11 views.
"Are you blackballed for delving into this topic? Oh yes," Wood said. "And that is why there are so few who do. Most contracts have something to do with some government research lab. So what would that do to you? The consequences are too great for a career. But I made the choice that truth was more important."


Dang, that's a noble way to view things. Too bad our government doesn't agree. Well, anyway, that's the latest. What do you think?


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Old 08-08-2006, 10:41 AM   #2
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They're (bleeping) idiots, and having degrees just makes them educated (bleeping) idiots.

We're being run by the gang that couldn't shoot straight. They don't have the ability to put together a successful Koffee Klatsch, and these numbskull professors think they could've put together a conspiracy like that?

And face it: nobody needed to blow anything up to have an excuse. Look at Iraq: Bush just stood there and lied through his teeth, and Congress wet itself in its scrambling haste to line up behind him so it wouldn't appear unpatriotic. Starting a war is one of the easiest things in the world for a president; John Polk proved that all the way back in 1848 against Mexico. It's finishing them that's tough.
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Old 08-08-2006, 10:52 AM   #3
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wow! lighten up dude. That's why they call it "alternative news."
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I was laughing and shaking my head while I wrote that, Rufe. Guess I'm going to have to start using more smilies...
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:02 PM   #6
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I dunno troy,sounded possible to me,although I don't know how they could keep it a secret,perhaps it is out there but no one can believe it,
I find itvery unlikely that we would do such an atrocious act,but then again,watching those buildings go down and watching buildings being demolished,well,they look the same to me.
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:29 PM   #7
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Kevin Barret, the professor in that article, is married to a Muslim woman. He claims our government did it so we'd have an excuse to start a world-wide war on Muslims. That makes no sense on several levels.

First of all, why would we want to take on that big a chunk of the world to begin with? What's in it for us?

Secondly, even if the political hacks wanted to do it, how would you pull something like that without, oh, I dunno, maybe the cleaning crews noticing you were placing all those explosives? Have you ever seen what a building ready to be demo'ed looks like? It has holes and wires everywhere, some of the walls are taken out in advance, structural beams and columns are pre-scored, etc. And they don't rig them in a few hours; it takes full crews days or weeks to get buildings a lot smaller than the Trade Towers ready to drop.

What has happened to all the common sense in the world? This stuff is more ridiculous than the people who claimed we sank the Battleship Maine so we could go to war with Spain, or the ones who believe Roosevelt deliberately let the Japanese destroy our fleet at Pearl Harbor.

Much as I dislike Bush and his bunch, I think people are trying to have it both ways about him. At the same time he's too bumbling and stupid to tie his own shoelaces, he's so sneaky and smart that he's orchestrating and carrying out conspiracies that would do the Elders of Zion proud.

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Good point, Troy. Everything is his fault, but nothing good is ever his doing. Some of his policies T me off but, come on, it's a little ridiculous.
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Well, just to stir a bit.........the government has used us for tests, without our knowledge or permission. The government is selling parts of America to foreign folks. Why is it such a stretch to think the government could do this to America. The governments greed knows no bounds. What's the lives of a few citizens when we are talking zillions of dollars of profit for folks involved in the war business?
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