[Rufus Rhastus J]

PN....I'm not sure that's true but, anything is possible when one considers the group we are dealing with.

[dave375hh]

I agree that the word is overused, but why in the !!!! are the real Terrorists in the mid-east called insurgents? Insurgents my butt they are terrorists pure and simple. I guess the media is afraid of them to. Why would the media be afraid to insult them? Are they thinking they won't want to kill us as long as we don't call them terrorists? I have many other more accurate adjectives to describe these scumbags, but Chris would bleep them out. Calling terrorists insurgents is further proof that PC=BS!:uzi:

[ruger22com]

"terrorism" was just a tool used by the government to gain more money and MORE POWER.

Why else would the department of homeland security (which was formed under the patriot act to fight terrorists) spend its time going after people downloading music and movies from the internet. How is that a terrorist act?

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Well, absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is why HLS should be disbanded and everyone in it charged with crimes against the American peoples. It was a misconceived plot to begin with and these vermin are just drunk with power. I hope we will get them all convicted and, at least, not give them any more power to abuse Americans. It is clear where the problem lies. Only a person who just doesn't want to admit the obvious, wouldn't be able to see the obvious.

[tommy]

look what the pres. said today about the secret cia prison camps and wanting to be able to hols info back from a prisoner if they think it's clasified. i hate to tell you this but if it's the cia everything is a clasified file.lol. that means people could just start disapearing off the streets and never be seen again oh way they alraedy do disapear.hum!

[troy2000]

There were only about 100 prisoners, not the "thousands that had been speculated about" in those secret prisons.

Bush said they had transferred 14 of them to Gitmo, and there were no others being held. Hello? If we believe him and them, what happened to the other 86 or so?

If they were so dangerous they had to be spirited away to undisclosed locations and mistreated to find out what they knew, are we to believe the CIA just shook their hands, thanked them for their cooperation under torture, and turned them loose?

What I don't like about Bush justice is that for it to be fair and work properly, every single suspect has to be guilty. Are we to believe that 100% of the people nabbed are bad guys? That no one was picked up by mistake, or turned in for the reward or to settle a grudge? That not a single one is innocent, so they don't need to defend themselves?

Instead of presuming innocence until proven guilty, the Bush attitude is that anyone picked up is guaranteed guilty and the trial is just a formality.

I used to know some cops like that where I grew up. They figured if you weren't guilty they wouldn't have arrested you, so you deserved anything they felt like doing to you.

I'm not real fond of that brand of "justice," and neither were the folks who wrote our Constitution.

[Rave]

In my opinion we are slipping closer and closer to a dictatorship,plain and simple.

[troy2000]

Because our Congress has spent six years puckering up every time Bush bends over and drops his trousers. And he and his buddies won't rest until all the judges do it, too.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

Quote:       Originally Posted by troy2000

There were only about 100 prisoners, not the "thousands that had been speculated about" in those secret prisons. Bush said they had transferred 14 of them to Gitmo, and there were no others being held. Hello? If we believe him and them, what happened to the other 86 or so? If they were so dangerous they had to be spirited away to undisclosed locations and mistreated to find out what they knew, are we to believe the CIA just shook their hands, thanked them for their cooperation under torture, and turned them loose? What I don't like about Bush justice is that for it to be fair and work properly, every single suspect has to be guilty. Are we to believe that 100% of the people nabbed are bad guys? That no one was picked up by mistake, or turned in for the reward or to settle a grudge? That not a single one is innocent, so they don't need to defend themselves? Instead of presuming innocence until proven guilty, the Bush attitude is that anyone picked up is guaranteed guilty and the trial is just a formality. I used to know some cops like that where I grew up. They figured if you weren't guilty they wouldn't have arrested you, so you deserved anything they felt like doing to you. I'm not real fond of that brand of "justice," and neither were the folks who wrote our Constitution.

I'm not sure I understand your thoughts so i will just offer my thoughts for argument. It is my belief that they are all guilty of something. By that I mean, if they were not where they were or were not doing what they were doing, they'd not be where they are. And, honestly, how do you tell a good one from a bad one? that being said, My first response would be that they should be released if we cannot charge them with any crime. However, the cow poke's law says they need not be charged...we can hold them forever. Well, that's just one part of the patriot act which is not patriotic. Who cares where they are held? Not me. As far as gitmo goes, who cares if they are not happy? not me. Why not try them? Got proof? then you must eXicute! Pack them in pig lard and ship them home. But, you're right about the founding Fathers, I doubt they'd like cow poke's justice very much.

[troy2000]

Part of my point, Rufe, is that even when he's supposedly coming clean the man is fudging. First his officials say there were "only about a hundred" held in the secret prisons. Then Bush says all fourteen have transferred and none are left.

Last time I was in school 14 didn't equal 100, even using New Math.

I don't necessarily think they're all guilty. We were offering big rewards for Al Queda fighters when we first took Afghanistan, and the Northern Alliance warlords started grabbing any foreign Muslims they could get their hands on, plus any locals they didn't like, and turning them to us. They made money hand over fist.

Most of the guys stuck in Gitmo are from that initial batch the warlords sold us.

[Rave]

Nothing but a pack o' lies coming from the bunch in the whitehouse for years,sometimes I think the lie rate rivals that of the Klinton mob.

[Rufus Rhastus J]

good point! cowpoke even uses the "I didn't know" excuse! The parallels are just too weird!