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Old 09-10-2006, 12:07 PM   #1
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Rule nr 3: smear your opponent

In a pivotal year, GOP plans to get personal
Millions to be spent digging up dirt, ‘defining’ Democratic candidates
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By Jim VandeHei and Chris Cillizza

Republicans are planning to spend the vast majority of their sizable financial war chest over the final 60 days of the campaign attacking Democratic House and Senate candidates over personal issues and local controversies, GOP officials said.

The National Republican Congressional Committee, which this year dispatched a half-dozen operatives to comb through tax, court and other records looking for damaging information on Democratic candidates, plans to spend more than 90 percent of its $50 million-plus advertising budget on what officials described as negative ads.

I repeat: more than 90 percent on what even they call negative ads.
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Both sides are doing it from what I see,I guess if you don't plan on doing something constructive,or the voters won't believe it if you said you did,then mud slinging is all that's left.
Personally I don't belive much of anything any of them say,I think they are all a pack o' lyers!
As Rufus says,"They have all soiled their pants too many times."
I think it will take a long time to wash the stink out of our gummints' drawers,if ever.
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my father always said that in american politics you dont vote for someone, you vote against them
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I didn't feel that way back inthe early sixties!
Do you remember what it was like then?
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:41 PM   #6
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Nobody asked, but I'll post nr's 1 and 2 anyway

Rule nr 1: lie.

Rule nr 2: blame Clinton.
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Rule nr 1: lie.
Rule nr 2: blame Clinton.
Or Lie and blame Bush; works for either party! Why so many negative ads? Because they work!
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True enough, to a point.

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Or Lie and blame Bush; works for either party! Why so many negative ads? Because they work!
But the Republicans have had the White House for six years, and Congress for twelve, including six of the eight that Clinton was in office.

Maybe it's time they started taking a little of the blame for the way things are?
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But the Republicans have had the White House for six years, and Congress for twelve, including six of the eight that Clinton was in office.
Maybe it's time they started taking a little of the blame for the way things are?
ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT! No argument from me on that one.

I was merely pointing out that both parties pretty much point and blame rather than offer solutions to the problems. As screwed up as things are in the Mid East I believe that Kerry or Gore would have not handled things any better and we may be worse off. Remember it was peole like Gore that was against removing Saddam the first time we were over there.
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I don't feel that there is much anyone could do about the situation in the middle east. They have been killing each other for a long time and will continue to do so, whether it's Kerry, Bush, Gore, or Hillary (god forbid!)
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I don't feel that there is much anyone could do about the situation in the middle east.
Pretty much sums it up. What we are dealing with is a problem the entire global community should be addressing; yet as usual we are the only ones doing the dirty work while the rest of the world stands up and cals us names. The mid east is the bast@rd child of the United Nations and we need to stop being the government Teat on which it is sucking. Its high time the rest of the world ponied up some responsibility.
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Old 09-10-2006, 11:28 PM   #12
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I was pretty young, Rave.

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I didn't feel that way back inthe early sixties!
Do you remember what it was like then?
But it seems to me that people back then thought our leaders were on our side, even if they disagreed with the particulars of what those leaders were doing.

I dump a lot of blame on Gingrich and Rove, but I suppose the attitudes of people on either side really started changing because of Vietnam and then Nixon.

But those two and talk radio did do a lot to encourage the belief that anyone you disagree with politically isn't just wrong; he's evil and hates America.

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I think it's sad they are wasting the money this way...or, at least plan to waste it this way. Problem is, nobody believes anything they say. they can't act like we want them too because no one will pick the tomatoes! So, complete dissatisfaction comes from the party base, we already know what's going to happen on the two main issues, so, they gotta sling mud in an effort to prove they are less bad than those who seek to unseat them. it's simple, we know it, save the money, do what we want, things will be okay. It is, and I'm speaking directly to the repubs, the ONLY way for you to remain in office. I am not the only repub that is fed up with this bull! Election time they will see how we feel if they don't straighten up and fly right wing conservative!
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I think they believe that we Republicans will never vote Democrat no matter how bad they screw up.
I also think they are wrong!
No matter how smug our president is on TV we will not all be cowed by his apparent confidence,we will all loose in 2008 thanks to his stubborness and arrogance.
As far as the rest of the world takeing up our cause in the middle east,it seems that we and Tony Blair support Israel and the rest of the world doesn't.
According to the media last night Tony is going to loose his job,being ousted by his own labor party.
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Blair's already lasted 10 years

That's a long time, and I think the members of his party feel he's hogging the spot. The top guys usually have kind of an unspokent gentleman's agreement, that whoever gets to be Prime Minister will give someone else a chance after a while. Margaret Thatcher got run out the same way.

But there's no doubt that he's also P.O.'d a lot of people by playing Robin to Bush's Batman...
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But those two and talk radio did do a lot to encourage the belief that anyone you disagree with politically isn't just wrong; he's evil and hates America.
Come on now; the republicans aren't the only ones who run around spewing hate. "Bush let 9/11 happen so hisoil budies can get rich", "The republicans want to STARVE children" and "The right want to see old people die" aren't the brainchilds of Rove, Gingrich and Talk radio.
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As one of the geezers on G&G I made the first presidential vote in my lifetime for Nixon in the early 60's. Many voters assumed Kennedy would attmpt to make everyone Catholics , and Nixon was piggybacking on the popularity of Eisenhauer and basically "good times" for many voters. Eisenhauer had taken credit for not having a deficit spending budget....which was a myth for many reasons...but I won't got into that.

And...in general most news media was very unsophisticated compared to current practices. Politicians with "baggage", and they all had some (mostly burried away unavailable to the press'es scrutiny listed as classified) were politely protected from personal attacks as a matter of code of ethical treatment of politicians. What a joke that was.

Hey...Eisenhauser, Truman, and on and on backward through the previous presidents, were heavily burdened with "baggage" that in today's world would have prevented them from getting elected...or would have caused them to have been thrown out of office after investigative reporters finished digging up their dirty laundry.

So...nothing's new. Only the caliber of investigative reporting "baggage" has been raised for politicians.:nod:
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Count the talk shows, SPOCAHP ANAR

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Come on now; the republicans aren't the only ones who run around spewing hate. "Bush let 9/11 happen so hisoil budies can get rich", "The republicans want to STARVE children" and "The right want to see old people die" aren't the brainchilds of Rove, Gingrich and Talk radio.
How many so-called conservatives are out there spewing hate, for each "liberal" or "left-wing" show on the air?

Then go back and look at the ground rules for behavior Gingrich put in place for his Republican congressmen when he became their leader after the '92 elections. He made it very clear that the Democrats were the enemy, not someone you tried to work with.

Rove I don't even even need to talk about.

No, they didn't invent it. And they aren't the only practicianers. But they're the ones who raised it to an art form.
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"Spewing",what a powerful word,polarizing too,obviously anyone who doesn't agree with the spokesperson is spewing,and anyone that is spewing is evil.:flame: for sure!
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