The real goal of the ACLU is to diminish the constitutional rights of American Citizens. The ACLU founder and executive director from 1920 to 1950, Roger Baldwin, described the Soviet Union as a great laboratory of social experimention of incalculable value to the developement of the world. He wanted to bring socialism to America, but he knew that to be effective, he had to disguise and mask this goal in terms of individual rights and the disguise and mask of socialism is the ACLU.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
-Norman Thomas, socialist party presidentiol canidate 1940 and co-founder of the ACLU.
Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from it's own published Policy Issues:
Legalization of prostitution.
The defensen of all pornography.
Legalization of all drugs.
The promotion of homosexuality.
Opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion.
Opposition of parental choice in childrens education.
Not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, taxpayer funded abortions, birth limitation, etc.
Since the ACLU does not beleive in the term Christmas, nor Christmas trees, nor nativity scenes, it's only appropiate that you and I can send them a 'Merry Christmas' card. I know you and I would like to send then something eles but don't flame the enemy.
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The function of the ACLU is to make sure the other side gets heard. That means that most of the time they're going to be on the "wrong" side of an issue. Does anyone here have a problem with making sure both sides get heard?
The ACLU like other organizations and individuals have their own agendas and is as it should be but that does not mean I like everything or even most things they do. I don't care if others don't believe in what I believe in but do not try to force the views of others on me and this is something I think they wish to do.
The function of the ACLU is to make sure the other side gets heard. That means that most of the time they're going to be on the "wrong" side of an issue. Does anyone here have a problem with making sure both sides get heard?
This is textbook propaganda. Much like seeing a new Rolex at a fleamarket for $29.95.Yes it has the famous Rolex name on it but is it genuine? No it isn't. The ACLU is a fake Rolex. If you take the back off you will find Socialism inside . Look how Troy2000 trys to sell it to you: he says you're against fairplay and opposed to having both sides presented if you dare reveal him as a fake Rolex salesman. He is selling you counterfeit goods yet he's telling everyone that it is you who is being disingenuous. Do not be intimidated by these scare tactics.
It's a shame that the founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin who endorsed communism never had the opportunity to meet President Ronald Reagan.
I'm sure we all remember President Reagan's famous words regarding communism.
The ACLU has this relentless onslaught of litigation and persecution every Christmas Season. Some town puts up a natavity scene, the ACLU files suit. Some hapless Santa attempts to explain the meaning of Christmas to a grade school student, the ACLU demands his termination.
How can the ACLU say they are for protecting human rights when they advocate more power to the government! Above all, the ACLU wants to destroy our American Constitution. ACLU says they want gun control, not true, like the U.N. they want to abolish gun ownership in the United States. They are undermining our court system with activist judge's. They are inching their way along and making inroads, destroying our American traditions and morality. Just look what they've been attempting to do with the boy Scouts of America!
Are we to wake up one morning and say, what happened!
"In Germany, they came first for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic. And then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up".
-Martin Niemoeller
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The real goal of the ACLU is to diminish the constitutional rights of American Citizens.
Following are some of the stated goals of the ACLU, from it's own published Policy Issues:
Legalization of prostitution.
The defensen of all pornography.
Legalization of all drugs.
The promotion of homosexuality.
Opposition against parental consent of minors seeking abortion.
Opposition of parental choice in childrens education.
Not to mention the defense and promotion of euthanasia, polygamy, government control of church institutions, gun control, taxpayer funded abortions, birth limitation, etc.
Woody Mortensen
Most of the first part sounds like good, old-fashioned Libertarianism to me: get the government out of people's private lives and let them make their own choices, good or bad.
As far as the rest of it goes, can you give me a link to their published Policy Issues? I have trouble, for instance, believing that an organization which spends so much time and money trying to keep religion and government totally apart really wants government control instead...
"Scare tactics," Zen?
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This is textbook propaganda. Much like seeing a new Rolex at a fleamarket for $29.95.Yes it has the famous Rolex name on it but is it genuine? No it isn't. The ACLU is a fake Rolex. If you take the back off you will find Socialism inside . Look how Troy2000 trys to sell it to you: he says you're against fairplay and opposed to having both sides presented if you dare reveal him as a fake Rolex salesman. He is selling you counterfeit goods yet he's telling everyone that it is you who is being disingenuous. Do not be intimidated by these scare tactics.
I'm sorry if I scare you. But you must be a fairly timid sort anyway, if you're scared of free speech.
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I didn't square the agenda with 'Liberalism'. The ACLU did it for us.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
-Normas Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
Regarding Policy Issues, I mentioned some and I'm sure you realize, there are a buch of them, and most all ACLU Policy issues are public record.
Hello Troy2000
I didn't square the agenda with 'Liberalism'. The ACLU did it for us.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
-Normas Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
Regarding Policy Issues, I mentioned some and I'm sure you realize, there are a buch of them, and most all ACLU Policy issues are public record.
The Title of this article is 'Revealing FACTS on the ACLU Revealing FACTS on the ACLU
But the article is wrong from the first sentence, when it says, "Ever notice how the ACLU seems to take on only cases that are anti-Christian - pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-pornography, pro-prostitution, pro-euthanasia, pro-homosexual, pro-infanticide, pro-crime, pro-humanism, anti-God -- and, except for atheism, anti-religion?"
The truth is that people only notice the ACLU when it takes a position they disagree with. Here are multiple clear examples of the ACLU coming down on the side of the Christian religion she accuses it of attacking:
The ACLU of New Jersey (2006) filed a friend-of-the-court brief asking a federal court to uphold an elementary school student's right to sing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material.
The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) filed a lawsuit defending the free speech rights of a Christian who was protesting based on his religious beliefs. The man was chased away from the front of a Wal-Mart store where he was carrying a sign that read: "Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles. Don't Shop There."
The ACLU of Georgia (2006) filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church charging that the city of East Point, Georgia violated a federal religious discrimination law when it denied the church a zoning permit needed to establish its house of worship.
The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2005) won a religious liberty battle against Turtle Creek Borough. The Borough had repeatedly denied an occupancy permit to a predominantly African-American church, Ekklesia, that had purchased a church building from a predominantly white parish. The case was settled.
The ACLU of Nevada (2005) defended the free exercise rights and free speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of the Strip in Las Vegas.
The ACLU of Virginia (2004) threatened to file suit against the Fredericksburg-Stafford Park Authority after it enacted an unconstitutional policy prohibiting religious activities in the park. The Park Manager had prohibited a minister from the Cornerstone Baptist Church from conducting baptisms in the park, but under pressure from the ACLU the park revoked the prohibition and allowed the minister to conduct the baptism.
The ACLU of Michigan (2004) represented Abby Moler, a student at Sterling Stevenson High School, whose yearbook entry, a Bible verse, was deleted because of its religious content. A settlement was reached under which the school placed a sticker with Moler's original entry in the yearbooks and agreed not to censor students' yearbook entries based on their religious or political viewpoints in the future.
The ACLU of Massachusetts (2002) filed a brief supporting the right of the Church of the Good News to run ads criticizing the secularization of Christmas and promoting Christianity as the "one true religion." The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority had refused to allow the paid advertisements to be posted and refused to sell additional advertising space to the church.
While we're at it, Liberalism isn't just another word for socialism.
Here is another ingenius form of pro-ACLU propaganda. In this post if you don't support the ACLU you must be a fascist. He then portrays himself as a libertarian to distance himself from the word fascist. So unless you support the ACLU you must be against both sides being heard(post #4) or you're a fascist. In either case this is political correctness propaganda being used as a smokescreen to protect the true socialist intentions of the ACLU from being clearly revealed
You're trying to cram 10 gallons of !!!! in a five-gallon hat there, Zen.
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Here is another ingenius form of pro-ACLU propaganda. In this post if you don't support the ACLU you must be a fascist. He then portrays himself as a libertarian to distance himself from the word fascist. So unless you support the ACLU you must be against both sides being heard(post #4) or you're a fascist. In either case this is political correctness propaganda being used as a smokescreen to protect the true socialist intentions of the ACLU from being clearly revealed
You really think Gunnie Ed's that deep, devious and smooth, and a secret agent for the ACLU to boot?
Personally, I think he was just making a smart-!!! remark. Maybe you should take a little time off to work on developing a sense of humor...
By the way, people the ACLU has gone to bat for include Oliver North, Rush Limbaugh, and library patrons trying to access internet gun sites.
I wouldn't consider the articles wrong from the first sentence. I find that the article's list of cases is extremely revealing and can effect the morality of this Country for generations to come. The cases you sited were for either individuals or small or collected groups and associations of peoples.
And it is gradifying to know they can do a few things right other than shoot themselves in the foot so many times, especially in Skokie, Illinois.
I wouldn't consider the articles wrong from the first sentence. I find that the article's list of cases is extremely revealing and can effect the morality of this Country for generations to come. The cases you sited were for either individuals or small or collected groups and associations of peoples.
And it is gradifying to know they can do a few things right other than shoot themselves in the foot so many times, especially in Skokie, Illinois.
But I also think they perform a useful function as a devil's advocate, even when they're wrong. And occasionally they're very, very right.
As far as the country's morality goes, I don't think they're affecting it as much as they're reflecting it.
Is it raining up there in the High Desert? We're getting it pretty good down here tonight.
Yes, I would agree they can be occasionally right, but I don't know about the very,very part!
I grew up in Tacoma, Washington whereby it rained just about everyday and never once did I ever, ever complain about weather. Since moving to S California 40 years ago , if the temperature drops and we get a drizzle like this evening, I'll be the first to start complaining.
Troy2000
I would concede that they can occasionally do something right, but I don't know about the very, very, part.
Not that much rain here and not much from pacific storms. But, the storms coiming in from Utah and Nevada can get nasty. I grew up in Tacoma, Washington and never ever, ever complained about the daily rain fall we had.
Moved to California 40 years ago, I've become a weather nut and the first one to complain about any inclement weather.
'Troy' meaning USC fan?
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