Anyone have any experience with this or heard anything about it? My dad has a lower and is thinking about building one of these. I've never heard anything about the gas system and wanted to check around before he buys it.
I have a Model 1 sales 7 1/2" A2 pistol Upper that is nice but had some functioning problem with the buffer tube that came with the kit. There are some issues with that short of a Barrel and a rifle round , as well as loss of velocity (hence energy) and accuracy. 16 to 24 inch barrels are still much better for the 5.56 Nato round and AR receiver.
It do Make A Blast out the front !
I called a friend that had an Olympic and he said it functioned fine,Sweet shootin, just Loud as H***!
Rich
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Last edited by Mooseman684; 01-12-2007 at 02:01 AM.
You must make sure your Dad's lower is marked "Pistol", if not, you can't use it to build a rifle. If you do, you've just created an illegal SBR(short barreled rifle). Also remember it's illegal to put a forward grip on a pistol also.
It is illegal to add a stock onto a pistol upper / barrel under 16". I called the local ATF office and spoke with several people there. It doesn't have to be marked pistol, as long as you build it a pistol and keep it that way. The moment you add a stock though, big trouble.
Answer me one question. When the lower was purchased, was it purchased as a rifle or a pistol?
Upon further review, we are both right. Any lower can be used to build a pistol. HOWEVER, on ATF form 4473, it must have been transfered as a pistol and not a rifle. And since I'm pretty sure that the lower your Dad has was transfered as a rifle, you could be asking for a whole lot of trouble down the road if you decide to make that receiver into a pistol. The ATF "suggests" that you obtain a certification from the manufacturer verifying it's never been completed in a rifle configuration. I highly doubt you can get this since it would have been sold to someone else besides you. And I highly doubt you can transfer the rifle receiver to a pistol receiver. The FFL alone would be taking a heck of a risk in doing so.
Last edited by Pred; 01-12-2007 at 05:43 PM.
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Well, see Pred that was my first thought and what I had seen to be true from my research. I'm just going based on what the inspector with ATF told me.
I know that you know your stuff. When I was building mine I probably asked you 20 different questions, so don't take it as me arguing. I'm just thinking that first off, the chances of anything ever happening to him even if it would be a SBR are probably slim to none, and second, if the guy at ATF told me that as long as he didn't add a stock he'd be fine, there has to be SOME truth to that...
Oh I know your not arguing, and I'm not taking it that way . And your right, the chances of ever being caught are slim to none, especially for someone who lives in a small town or in the country. However, on the small chance said person ever did get caught..... Just don't know if it's worth it is all.
I seem to remember reading an ATF letter that said the lower must not have been registered as a rifle. However the letter was from 2004(not the easiest things to find), so maybe it's changed.
if the guy at ATF told me that as long as he didn't add a stock he'd be fine, there has to be SOME truth to that...
Do you know how many people get in trouble with many different things when a 'verbal' agreement is referenced?
A 'verbal' agreement or contract is not valid in a court of law, ever. Especially when dealing with government employees. Do you think if you take them to court, that employee is going to say: "Yea, I said that." ?? Nope. He will tell you he said what he thought but then reiterated that you should find it in the statutes just to be sure and not to take his word for it. This will never be standable in court. You must find the information in writing presented by the law in order to show that you have abided by it.
P.S. I'm not arguing either, just putting a bit more info out there.
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I think we can agree on one thing. When it comes to firearms in this day and age, stay legal, or as close as possible. Fact is if you have an AR pistol in your car and a LEO pulls you over and wants to run the #'s, it comes back a rifle, chances are you might be going to jail for illegally having a SBR. Now you may get it thrown out, but for the most part cops know nothing about guns and even less about gun laws. If you want a pistol, spend the extra $100 for a lower with paperwork to prove its a pistol. To me, certain things are worth the risk, but this is not one of them. Just my .02
the lower must be titled as a pistol TO START WITH. It must have never been registered at all as a rifle. Usually you have to get a virgin reciever to get this. I built a bushy carbon 15 pistol on a double star lower. Trust me, the fun lasts about ten minutes and then you wonder "what the heck am i goign to do with this thing?" they look alot cooler in teh catalouge than they actually are in real life. The only rifle caliber handgun that has ever lived up to it for me was a krink.
. And your right, the chances of ever being caught are slim to none, especially for someone who lives in a small town or in the country. However, on the small chance said person ever did get caught..... Just don't know if it's worth it is all.
