no you cannot. I remember this one article from military.com. it was about a Navy Seal who jumped on a grenade to save his fellow shipmates. I understand Troy and to tell you the truth if I could be over there right now with my comision I will be over there in a heart beat. I wana fight and this is the part that is lost on most politicions. I will gladly give my life for this country and the fact that we are trying to rebuild another so that there people will enjoy the same freedoms that you and I have today. If thats isnt good enough to die for then I ask what is.
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no you cannot. I remember this one article from military.com. it was about a Navy Seal who jumped on a grenade to save his fellow shipmates. I understand Troy and to tell you the truth if I could be over there right now with my comision I will be over there in a heart beat. I wana fight and this is the part that is lost on most politicions. I will gladly give my life for this country and the fact that we are trying to rebuild another so that there people will enjoy the same freedoms that you and I have today. If thats isnt good enough to die for then I ask what is.
Man, you got a lot to learn about things. I'm not trying to be a smart azz, either.
you're right JBS I do and I'll be the first to admit it keep in mind I'm only a broke 18 year old college student. but I grew up in a military family. I know what is at risk. This is just the way that I feel. I am not accusing anyone of being a smart !!! because if I was I'd point the finger at myself. It is a crying shame that those 2.5 thousand men and women have perished in this fight I stay stop bickering over this war. If we pull out their lives would have been wasted. I dunno maybe I'm being way to philisophical. I had a conversation with my father regarding me wanting to join the military. I looked at him square in the eye and told him look your turn is over you did your duty. It's my turn to step to the plate and defend this nation. Call me a warmonger call me what you want. I dont care you have the right to do it I'm just gona be the one defending your right to do such and I will try to give others the same rights.
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Pardner, I ain't even questioning your Patriotism. I also believe that you are an honorable man. But, while you're there in college, please learn how to spell commission before you get commissioned
If it were only about protecting this country!
Not much mention about the wounded,27,000,good thing we can save more of them than we could before,although many of the wounds are terrible.
25 of our Brightest, Bravest, and now send more to the carnage? This war has no clear purpose or direction. Obviously, border security is pretty bad over there too. Or they have tons of stuff we don't know about hidden. They need to change everything about this War, including the price our men have to pay while they're sitting there scratching their heads at the White House. All we know at this point, is that our people are getting killed, our kids will inherit a huge bill, and our rights are on the limb over all of this.
I will gladly give my life for this country and the fact that we are trying to rebuild another so that there people will enjoy the same freedoms that you and I have today. If thats isnt good enough to die for then I ask what is.
I would like to ask you 4 questions, sincerely.
1. Why did we go to Iraq?
2. What is keeping us in Iraq?
3. What makes Iraq different from say...Libya, Sarajevo/Bosnia, Somalia; and, why did we choose to go into Iraq over any of the others?
4. Because of our invasion of Iraq, what has come of it? Good, and/or bad.
Then, I would finally ask you to think hard about these questions and ask yourself is the conflict (yes, 'conflict' as Bush has never 'declared' war) in Iraq truely what it is said to be...? There are two things in common between us and the middle east that those other countries filled with the same problems as Iraq do not have an association with. I hope you can figure out what those two things are. If you can not and with all due respect to your willingness to fight for something, I fear you may simply be listening to the kool-aid drinkers and may be wanting to run off to possibly die for the wrong reasons.
Once those 2 commonalities are brought to light here, I am willing to speak more in detail, but not before.
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1) To liberate the Iraqi people from a tyrant who was willing to nerve gas his own people.
2) The fact that we must rebuild that nation and ensure that their government survises to prevent a power vacume for another sadam or worse adolf hitler to gain power.
3) I dunno what the difference is for some reason our commander and chief decided that we needed to take out Sadam.
4) More schools have been built and are being attended, more hospitals have been built with modern medical technology, the people now have the right to choose who they want to represent them in an election.
The commonalities. I do also believe we do have a tendincy to force our way of life and government on those who we feel that need to be "liberated" just because our structure of government works for us doesnt necisarily meen that it works for them. Also our existance came about through warfare. I believe those are a few of the commonalities.
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Saddam Hussein was put to death for being found guilty for killing 148 people in a town where an attempt was earlier made to assassinate him. He also killed people when they began to stand out against the government, when they tried to raid his compound. He was defending his position of power (forced or not). I ask you: What would our government do if we were to raid the White House with say 10,000 people? They would start picking us off. They would, too, shoot gas at us, and kill us wave upon wave, regardless of our goal. The Kurds wanted to declare their own state within Iraq, separate from the Saddam's administration. I ask you: What did they do to the people here in Waco, TX who wanted to do the same thing?
In my mind, our government is no different than the Saddam administration. They, too, will kill and mame to remain in power and make money. It has been proven.
The 2 things we have in common with the middle east is...
1. Israel
2. Oil
We do not go into the African countries because of these 2 reasons. There is nothing in it for us. The reasons given to us by our government are B.S.! We are there for Israel and for Oil, no other reason. Do you really think our government cares about the people of Iraq being killed and dictated to? NO! Do you think our government cares about any mass of people who are oppressed? No. We were shown that in New Orleans. We are shown that when we were pulled out of Vietnam, Korea and the African countries.
If you think our government cares about the people in Iraq, you are seriously deranged.
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Again I am not a government official I cannot tell you what our government thinks. All I have said were my personal oppinions. Given the situation if we raided the white house I have no idea what our government would do. I believe that half if not the vast majority of the people in office are corrupt but that doesnt mean that I shouldnt have the balls to stand up for somethin. I guess my major point that seems to have been lost is that I do not care about the way our government is ran all I care about are those men and women who are over their right now. and I can tell you right now crazy ivan those people over there do care about the people in iraq why else would they give their lives for them. What I say is the truth because I have friends and family who are over there and I talk to them on a fairly regular basis. oh and by the way we have not fully pulled out of Korea, the African Countries Clinton was a !!!!! and wouldnt let those men and women finish their jobs that they wanted to do in the first place. Vietnam I am not sure by right we should have won that one but again vietnam politics got too involved with warfare there were targets that should have been takin out that were barred from distruction. Now my statements are based on what I have read from people who have actually fought in those conflicts.
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Pred, didn't that mean ole Saddam make them ugly camel faced 'hoes wear rags to cover their camel ugly faces? That was mean, yes? Mean to the woman? WHO CARES WHAT HE DID TO THE TURDS? IT'S NOT WORTH A WAR! I don't know how else to say it so there is no misunderstanding.
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Actually Rufe, Saddam was a very secular ruler by Muslim standards. He didn't make the women cover their faces, he let them be educated and hold high-ranking jobs, he allowed liquor stores to exist openly, etc.
The only time he waved Allah and Muhammed around was when he was trying to round up support. The rest of the time he spent killing more radical mullahs and religuous extremists than you could shake a stick at.
