The wording of the Appeal for Redress is short and simple. It is patriotic and respectful in tone.
As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq . Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home.
Iraq.... ewww. It was a good thing when we got rid of Saddam. The harsh reality is that now, in Iraq, the soldiers are dealin with Iranians, Saudi's, and just about any other muslim extremist or terrorist (hmmm... is there a difference?) that can get there. The only solution to that is to just about CONQUER the entire Arab region.....protect the oil interests (for now), then just leave them to their own devices. They will be back to tribal warfare and kill each other off. IF they don't acutally organize and try to kill us first. That's just my opinion anyway.
Personally, and I could be wrong, I think these particular soldiers are disgrunted because they are held back from the mission at hand. No matter what they say. Alot of things that need to be done will NOT be politically correct there in the Arab world but eventually if the proper thing ISN'T done, we may see a dirty bomb soon.
Some soldiers enjoy what they are doing there and think it is right. Then you have folks like this who think it is wrong. It is the same as those in government and we citizens. There is a continuing dispute about what is best in Iraq. There will always be two sides.
I tend to float the fence. Bombard the middle east with 1-2 million troops, clean it up, or get the !!!! out. We can't do it half-assed like we are trying to do.
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Yeah. Those soldiers don't represent the whole of the military. If the rest of the military, or most of them, felt the same way I think there would be more voices.
Actually, it may or may not cause a problem. Many of our cities' police officers do not agree with many of the laws on the books. They simply are the enforcers, not the law-makers. They have to uphold their duty or they lose. I would imagine it is the same way in the Military. Guys are there to help out their buddy next to them, to follow orders and carry them out. They are not there to dictate policy, state their opinion or argue with congress or the DOD. I think they understand this and knew it going in, that is why we don't see too much of an uprising from within the military.
EDIT: Most cops are pro-gun rights. But in places like New York and L.A., they have to and do uphold the law, even if it goes against their beliefs.
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Another point not mentioned is that the soldiers are also human. I'm sure they all have lives far removed from iraq. To fight a just war is one thing...but, to fight a war like this one is quite another. It's been like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. Granted we have great weapons and delivery systems compared to those we face...but, if we are not allowed to win, what's the point? I think this is the one single most demoralizing aspect of the bushit war. Thinking for just one moment, what if it were you and habib just killed your buddy but has run into the mosques and you can't go in after him nor can you blast the building because bushit doesn't want to offend the enemy?
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I know from experience,even tho I personally felt it was a lost cause because politicians were tying our hands,I would do what I was told because if I didnt my buddy would get hurt and if he got hurt I would have one less to protect me. samuel.
I think all men, at some point, will grow tired of war. This war has lasted longer then either WWI or WWII. And as others have said, I think the biggest problem comes from the almost none existent desire to win. When you go to war, you plan on winning. But the current administration seems to only care about keeping a presence in that part of the world, almost as if their waiting for something.
Also rufus you touched on a very important thing: the TYPE of war they are fighting. They aren't just fighting a country, they are fighting and ideal as well which is deeply rooted in most of the Arab culture for the past couple of centuries. The best way to fight an "ideal" like that is to change the way of thinking. THAT they will have to come to that conclusion themselves.
Think on this: in Iran, they have a special army. I forget the name but it is up to 2 million men, women and children. ALL of them armed only with the fanaticism of their leaders and clerics. They were used before in the Iran/Iraq war. If we had to, with support from the U.N., had to go in there for thier NRP (Neuclear "Refinement" Program), that would be one thing we would have to face. I think ALMOST any soldier would have trouble killing women and children, much less an unarmed populace of them. I see only 3 solutions for that: (1.) Just let them walk over us (NOT!) (2.) Carpet bomb them as they come across (we would be considered WORSE than N.K.) (3.) This is my idea. To create a method of capet bombing with tear gas. (too many images to type here).
