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| Banned | Feds seeking 7 years for another Texas cop There is something seriously wrong with this country. Oh, and to really add to the mix, Suttons boss is Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Quote:
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Word can't adequately express the anger I feel over this case. Last time I check an on-coming vehicle you believe is trying to dispatch yer butt from this earth is a speeding lethal weapon and fair game. Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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In a sane world Dale, that's true. But apparently the world and this country have gone insane. Pretty soon, they won't be able to get people to work as border patrol or cops near the border because they now they will get in trouble for doing their jobs or protecting their own lives. No one to watch the borders? Bingo, throw them completly open!!!!
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| Resident Armed Liberal ![]() | I believe there's something seriously wrong with Johnny Sutton Quote:
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Something's fishy here. I would really love to see the evidence in these cases. I know innocent people DO get convicted but I find that 2 cases in a row a little overwhelming to believe. What was the evidence they used to convict these guys?
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It is really sad. I know there's facts besides what we all consider but, the one fact that is of interest to me is that the officer acted properly. It's the law that's in need of review.![]() PS I never liked attorney general gonzalez. He appears to be just another "Yes man" for our leader.
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S.O.S.! everything is 180 degrees out of kilter.Don't know why,just nuts. ?
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I feel sorry for 1*. His chief USED to be chief here in Dayton. He passed a shoot/no-shoot policy regarding vehicles. He claimed cars are NOT considered deadly weapons and officers cannot fire upon them. Seems to be the mentality these days. Some other "chiefs" have chosen the same doctrine and are only making it harder for cops to do their jobs. Now, excuse me here for a brief moment of reality, but if it came to choosing a 180-grain .40 bullet or my 4000-pound cruiser, I think the obvious would be the cruiser. And, for many illogical reasons. I can move the vehicle to follow the perp (try that with a bullet), I can back up in case I missed (again, try that with a bullet), I can gurantee minimal ricochet (yep, you guessed it!), and if they take the cruiser for evidence, I still have my sidearm. Now, with that in mind, it works almost the same for a crook. Officers are killed almost every day with a car. I feel the officer acted responsibly by trying to shoot the tires out. The person driving that car is a menace to society and needed to be stopped. There should have been no way this ever got this far! Based on the evidence provided by the defense (and agreed upon by the prosecution) the officer WAS in harm's way when the perp drove away. He tried to hit the officer by turning his wheels sharply to the left. What's this cop supoosed to do? Stand there for the picture so they can give it to his next of kin? Or, maybe step back and try to immediately disable the vehicle so it can't go far and make it easier (and safer) to stop the vehicle further up the road? Troy is right- someone needs to investigate this prosecutor. What would have happened had there been backup involved? Would those offiers be on trial, also? Maybe they would have charged Hernandez with inducing panic for calling backup on an attempted vehicle strike? Give me a break! At the rate this prosecutor is hemming up LE officers I am surprised there's not the biggest case of "Blue Flu" in U.S. history......
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| Resident Armed Liberal ![]() | Johnny Sutton's first "rogue" border agent
Here's a link to a website that has Border Patrol Agent Gary Brugman's story in his own words: he was arrested, prosecuted and convicted in 2001 in spite of five supervisors testifying on his behalf, and spent two years in prison in the general population. It's another case where Sutton actually hunted a "victim" down in Mexico, and brought him over to testify. His daughter's chemotherapy was mysteriously paid for after he testified against Brugman. Sutton also brought in a drug smuggler Brugman had apprehended, who was serving a five-year sentence, and he told a story of being mistreated by Brugman. Gee; what possible motive could he have had for doing that? Gary Brugman - Another Victim of Johnny Sutton's Malicious Prosecution I dunno; maybe we're only getting one side of these stories. But Mr. Sutton is starting to have a bad odor; I wouldn't want to be downwind of him on a hot day.
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Someone needs to look into this guy in a hurry. Unless his orders come from higher up, I guess. Then it's pointless....
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Well, to put it simlply. If those people in the van hadn't been doing something illegal in the first place, the officer wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, now would he?
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Bottom line,if you value you freedom/job,don't mess with the illegals! |
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I was taught the only way to stop a vehicle is shoot the driver, don't shoot at the tires, don't try to shoot through the hood. I haven't tried this with new vehicles, but in the seventies we fired .45 into the hood of a chevy while standing next to the car, simulating trying to disable a vehicle by hitting the engine. The .45 ball rounds wouldn't punch through the hood. The .45 ball rounds would, however, punch through the driver's head.
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This isn't all that difficult to figure out. What "they", (law enforcement higher ups), are trying to accomplish, is to put the fear of God into these border agents and law enforcement in general along the border, so they will simply let these tonks go free without any interference. These guys are going to be in fear of their jobs and personal freedom if they even try and stop these vermin. "What if something goes wrong and I have to shoot? Screw it, it's just not worth it." Thats exactly whats going to happen. Where have you ever heard of cops getting the $h!t end of the stick this way? It didn't even happen in the Rodney King debacle. But God forbid, stop a tonk and it's into the meat grinder you go. Bill T.
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Troy I just got a chance to read that link you provided. I am sickened to the point of speechlessness. |
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"In 1995 Sutton, a former assistant district attorney in Harris County, Texas, was named the Criminal Justice Policy Director for then-Governor George Bush. He served in that post until 2000, when Bush was elected president." "In the wake of Bush’s victory, Sutton was named associated deputy attorney general at DOJ in Washington, D.C., and also served as a policy coordinator for the Bush-Cheney presidential transition team." "In late October of 2001, Sutton was appointed by Bush to serve as U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas in San Antonio." That doesn't necessarily prove that someone higher up is putting Sutton up to this. But it might at the very least explain why he's getting away with it...
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the entire mess, with illegals, and these unfortunate law enforcement officers, just continues to sicken me. I'm so disappointed with our current leaders. Again I ask: "Who would have thought it would be this way?"
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President Bush said in a 2000 speech,shown again last night,that"What America wants is honesty and dignity in government,that's what America wants." |
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And that's what America got......in spades! Wouldn't you say! Bush and the cherry tree!
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